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"Good Law Project to cease taking on Trans Legal Cases from 2025 onwards" - according to angry trans reddit

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TorghunKhan · 03/09/2024 18:02

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1f82b6s/good_law_project_to_cease_taking_on_trans_legal/

Good news if true indeed.

I cannot however find any evidence further afield, does anyone get the GLP newsletter? that seems to be where this is from.

A full quote supplied in the reddit thread says:

"Dear Friend
We’ve been working together to stand up for trans rights, so I thought you’d like to hear how Good Law Project’s work in this area is going to evolve.
In 2025 we’ll be shifting our focus. Instead of funding or taking on legal cases ourselves, we’ll be supporting a trans and queer organisation with a three-year funding commitment. We’ve thought long and hard about the best way to keep fighting for trans rights and lives, and we feel that this is the moment for us to put our weight behind an organisation led by trans people.
It’s getting harder and harder to win rights for the trans community through the courts, and it doesn’t feel right to keep asking the community and its allies to carry on contributing to the enormous costs of this increasingly difficult litigation.
We’re incredibly proud of the work we’ve done in this space over the last five years. We’ll keep acting as allies, speaking out when we can make a meaningful contribution to the debate and supporting the tireless work of others standing up for trans rights. But for now, at least, we’ll be focusing our legal campaigns elsewhere.
We still have important work to do between now and the end of the year. In November we’ll be making sure the voices and experiences of trans people are heard, when a case affecting the freedoms they have relied on for 20 years is heard in the Supreme Court.
And through our colleagues at Good Law Practice we’ll carry on supporting The Clare Project to get answers at inquest about the tragic loss of a trans person’s life.
Good Law Project only exists because of the amazing support of people like you. I hope you’ll keep working with us as we keep holding power to account.
In solidarity,
Jo, Good Law Project"

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lonelywater · 05/09/2024 16:36

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/09/2024 17:58

Not the only odd thing he's done. He was a top tax barrister and has just walked away from that career, burning his bridges behind him by having some sort of row with his Head of Chambers as he went and blocking him*. Then he sold his windmills (as you do) to fund the Good Law Project and has proceeded to lose case after case. As mid-life crises go, it's right up there.

*https://x.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1344272536448753666

why he couldn't just get a pony tail and a big fuck off motorbike like every other middle aged saddo, no idea.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2024 16:44

https://goodlawproject.org/good-law-practice-to-close/

Latest 06 September 2024
Good Law Practice to close
Good Law Project is a non-profit campaign organisation that uses the law for a better world.

We know that the law, in the right hands, can be a fair and decent force for good. It is a practical tool for positive change and can make amazing things happen.

Good Law Project has decided to revert to the model of procuring legal services in house.

Good Law Project has decided to revert to the model operated by other legal non-profits of procuring legal services through an in-house legal team and is closing its wholly owned law firm Good Law Practice. We would like to thank the team at Good Law Practice for all their hard work. A number of colleagues are expected to take up similar roles at Good Law Project.

When Good Law Practice was founded, Good Law Project litigated almost exclusively against the government. The changed political and legal climates mean that, going forward, Good Law Project will do less judicial review (ie suing public bodies) and will need to commission legal services from a wider range of legal experts than could be accommodated within a single law firm.

Well!

Good Law Practice to close - Good Law Project

Good Law Project has decided to revert to the model of procuring legal services in house.

https://goodlawproject.org/good-law-practice-to-close

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2024 16:50

I don't know what happened between the earlier announcement and this one but something has.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2024 16:57

Wow!

Chersfrozenface · 06/09/2024 17:03

A number of colleagues are expected to take up similar roles at Good Law Project.

How many? Which ones? When?

Looking forward to finding out.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2024 17:05

It sounds like they possibly are going to reform from the Good Law Practice to the Good Law Project which will be a campaign/lobby group only rather than to lawyery things. Which ultimately is what they've been doing for the last few years, minus the expensive embarrassing court loses.

fromorbit · 07/09/2024 08:23

The eight GLP Gender crowdfunded cases raised £489,568. Most didn't get to court, all that did lost. Eight badly designed doomed cases which only discredited the cause they fought for and which created precedents in favour of reality.

As much as we love to criticise Jolyon I think we need to take a moment to stop and thank him. Imagine if he was actually an effective lawyer. Instead all his interventions have served to make the gender critical legal position in the UK much stronger, more quickly than we could have hoped.

He made opposition to reality look like a clown cart in legal terms. The trick is to hide the clown cart under a tablecloth with the appearance of reason, you might not win, but you stand a chance.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 08:29

fromorbit · 07/09/2024 08:23

The eight GLP Gender crowdfunded cases raised £489,568. Most didn't get to court, all that did lost. Eight badly designed doomed cases which only discredited the cause they fought for and which created precedents in favour of reality.

As much as we love to criticise Jolyon I think we need to take a moment to stop and thank him. Imagine if he was actually an effective lawyer. Instead all his interventions have served to make the gender critical legal position in the UK much stronger, more quickly than we could have hoped.

He made opposition to reality look like a clown cart in legal terms. The trick is to hide the clown cart under a tablecloth with the appearance of reason, you might not win, but you stand a chance.

I wonder if this was his relevation in the mountain wilderness or whether he was effectively given the boot for being a liability. Or whether the decision to stop doing gender cases was made in his absence, he had a tantrum and walked so they took the opportunity to shutdown the lawyering as it was proving a liability anyway.

I would LOVE to know the inside track on this.

GailBlancheViola · 07/09/2024 08:32

JM has gone very, very quiet since the tantrum and flounce to the wilderness.

I too would love to know the inside track.

Freysimo · 07/09/2024 08:39

The Good Law Project isn't needed any longer. It got the government it wanted.

GailBlancheViola · 07/09/2024 08:42

Maybe, but they didn't get the Health Secretary they wanted hence JM's unhinged rants at Wes Streeting and threats of court cases.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 08:54

Freysimo · 07/09/2024 08:39

The Good Law Project isn't needed any longer. It got the government it wanted.

This explanation does not adequately explain at the state of last week the Good Law Project put out a statement saying they were dropping trans law cases but would continue to lawyer in other areas but by yesterday they had changed their minds about this and decided not to do any lawyering at all anymore.

SOMETHING happened in the middle of last week.

You don't put out one statement and have a think about it and make another statement a few days later saying you've changed your mind because quite frankly it's embarrassing and unprofessional to do so.

The only logical explanation is SOMEONE did something and SOMETHING happened to change their position in that manner.

The change of position will only result in people asking that very question which is why it's awkward and embarrassing to do.

There was ALREADY questions about what was going on with 'the public face' of the Good Law Project having thrown a tantrum and flounced off twitter to 'go on holiday'.

It only makes you wonder if there's something more to this. Did Jolyon do something previously? Why did he really go to the mountain wilderness?

The fact they raised money in the way they did and had a track record of not getting a good return for those donors also makes you ask questions. (Was potential scrutiny of this on the cards? We've all thought of it as a grift for an organisation for a while).

I don't know but it raises questions.

I was always taught not just to listen to what's said but also to ask questions about what's not being said. This is a perfect example of a situation where it's very very applicable.

GailBlancheViola · 07/09/2024 09:06

I agree RedToothBrush something has happened/changed within GLP or something is going to come out, this is not being done due to a change of Government.

Maaate · 07/09/2024 09:27

I have a feeling something big is about to drop - there has to be a reason that so many groups are now backing away from promoting trans ideology.

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2024 09:37

I'm afraid I'm more cynical and see the Labour Party as having a plan to appease them behind the scenes. In exchange for calming the fuck down.

I don't trust them one little bit.

highame · 07/09/2024 09:41

Maaate · 07/09/2024 09:27

I have a feeling something big is about to drop - there has to be a reason that so many groups are now backing away from promoting trans ideology.

Not just ramifications of the Cass review? That was pretty major and it's effects are only in the early stages. There may be many legal cases brewing and many government departments having to adjust. Hopefully, if there's something else, we'll hear about it soon

Chersfrozenface · 07/09/2024 09:46

Maaate · 07/09/2024 09:27

I have a feeling something big is about to drop - there has to be a reason that so many groups are now backing away from promoting trans ideology.

Those that are backing away are only doing so from some activity in relation to children.

Not from all the other genderist nonsense. The Greens are still expelling people for telling the truth. The Labour government has dumped free speech legislation and intends barging on with legislation on "hate crime".

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 09:47

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2024 09:37

I'm afraid I'm more cynical and see the Labour Party as having a plan to appease them behind the scenes. In exchange for calming the fuck down.

I don't trust them one little bit.

This is also quite possible and had occurred to me. It'd interesting to know who is involved and what went on in that scenario too.

This is precisely why I'm curious. I want to know what going on, who is involved and why the strange change of heart.

It's really odd. We should be asking questions.

fromorbit · 07/09/2024 09:52

Maaate · 07/09/2024 09:27

I have a feeling something big is about to drop - there has to be a reason that so many groups are now backing away from promoting trans ideology.

It could be big OR what I think is the cumulative effect of lots of things. Look at what is happening.

The Cass Review
Gender Crits winning lots of cases
TAs losing cases
The Far right using gender nonsense as a huge recruiting aid
More and more criminals adopting gender ideology and being exposed
Gender stuff not being that popular in media - it is becoming less fashionable.
Detrans people going to court
JKR just doing her thing
Trying to put men in women's sport and people noticing
The end of "no debate"
Doctors saying NO
Gay people saying NO
Women saying NO

GLP imploding is the latest part of this.
I think the big tipping point will be when enough Doctors are sued in the States and cases start being won.

Lots of "neutral people" are getting off the gender train. Because it is stupid and cruel and there is less money to be made.

fromorbit · 07/09/2024 09:59

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2024 09:37

I'm afraid I'm more cynical and see the Labour Party as having a plan to appease them behind the scenes. In exchange for calming the fuck down.

I don't trust them one little bit.

Watch what happens at Labour conference like a hawk. It is going to be very revealing I think with LWD first open stall and event inside conference venue.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5151107-labour-womens-declaration-at-lab-conference-2024-stall-reem-alsalem-unsrvaw-sonia-sodha-and-dr-anna-hutchison?page=1

Remember we have the Lord Chancellor and the Policing Minister as LWD members. We are not exactly powerless inside the party. Doesn't mean the Ts are without influence, but there is a real fight going on.

Labour Women's Declaration at Lab Conference 2024 - STALL! - Reem Alsalem [UNSRVAW], Sonia Sodha and Dr Anna Hutchison | Mumsnet

For years LWD have been fighting to get a stall at conference. Finally they have been allowed inside with a stall at the Labour Annual Conference in *...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5151107-labour-womens-declaration-at-lab-conference-2024-stall-reem-alsalem-unsrvaw-sonia-sodha-and-dr-anna-hutchison?page=1

LoobiJee · 07/09/2024 10:03

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2024 09:37

I'm afraid I'm more cynical and see the Labour Party as having a plan to appease them behind the scenes. In exchange for calming the fuck down.

I don't trust them one little bit.

The timing does make that plausible - Pink News, Stonewall, and GLP changing their public positions in August / Sept, before Parliament returns.

Going back to the Scottish Parliament GRA bill, UK Labour’s position wasn’t that they would ditch self ID, it was that UK Labour would make a better job of introducing it than the SNP had done, principally that they would do a better job of changing the discourse and persuading voters.

JM is just changing tactics not ditching the overall goal.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 07/09/2024 10:08

I'm another person who is apprehensive there are deals in the background and women are about to be stitched up with new legislation: these are the quid pro quo for Stonewall, GLP etc as PPs suggest.

GailBlancheViola · 07/09/2024 10:09

LoobiJee · 07/09/2024 10:03

The timing does make that plausible - Pink News, Stonewall, and GLP changing their public positions in August / Sept, before Parliament returns.

Going back to the Scottish Parliament GRA bill, UK Labour’s position wasn’t that they would ditch self ID, it was that UK Labour would make a better job of introducing it than the SNP had done, principally that they would do a better job of changing the discourse and persuading voters.

JM is just changing tactics not ditching the overall goal.

Agree. Labour need to be watched very closely, back door deals may well have been made to get all the above to quieten down.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 10:13

fromorbit · 07/09/2024 09:52

It could be big OR what I think is the cumulative effect of lots of things. Look at what is happening.

The Cass Review
Gender Crits winning lots of cases
TAs losing cases
The Far right using gender nonsense as a huge recruiting aid
More and more criminals adopting gender ideology and being exposed
Gender stuff not being that popular in media - it is becoming less fashionable.
Detrans people going to court
JKR just doing her thing
Trying to put men in women's sport and people noticing
The end of "no debate"
Doctors saying NO
Gay people saying NO
Women saying NO

GLP imploding is the latest part of this.
I think the big tipping point will be when enough Doctors are sued in the States and cases start being won.

Lots of "neutral people" are getting off the gender train. Because it is stupid and cruel and there is less money to be made.

But why first say one thing and then change your mind in the same week?

The cumulative effect only offers a partial explanation for the first statement. Not the second statement.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 07/09/2024 10:24

Re: GLP and the lawyering. There's a current post advertising for a COVID counter-fraud commissioner.

This is a high-profile new role, announced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to Parliament, with the important aim of scrutinising contracts awarded during the Covid-19 pandemic. The Commissioner will ensure that everything possible is being done to recover public money lost to pandemic-related fraud and underperforming contracts.
This candidate pack sets out information about the role and the skills and experience that the successful candidate will bring.
As well as working within HM Treasury, the Commissioner will need to work closely with the Department of Health & Social Care and draw on additional expertise in the Public Sector Fraud Authority, Government Debt Management Function and Government Commercial Function to be effective in this role. It is expected that the successful candidate will have the collaborative skills to drive true joint-working and will be able to present their conclusions effectively to Parliament and the public.
The role demands a highly-skilled, credible, and suitably experienced candidate who will play a vital national role.

https://apply-for-public-appointment.service.gov.uk/roles/8362?page=1

I wonder if there are to be more posts with a similarly high profile that involve legal skills that might appeal to JM?

Role details – Covid Counter-Fraud Commissioner – Apply for a public appointment – GOV.UK

https://apply-for-public-appointment.service.gov.uk/roles/8362?page=1