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Neil Gaiman Accused Of Sexual Assault Pt II

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hihelenhi · 26/08/2024 14:30

As we're nearly at the end of the first thread, let's make sure we keep the topic current.

There have been five women now who have spoken to podcasts about the predatory behaviour of Neil Gaiman.

First thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5112128-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault

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neverdidrateneilgaiman · 28/08/2024 21:54

Ah, sorry for the false alarm!

teawamutu · 29/08/2024 10:11

StainlessSteelMouse · 28/08/2024 21:45

The kicker in that Bookseller piece is all the publishers and bodies they contacted for comment, who are keeping silent on NG.

Presumably the publishers are figuring out the economics of the situation, since he's still got a profitable backlist. But it'll be interesting to see whether he gets any new commissions. At this point it's looking like the end of his writing career, though 40 years is a good run.

The Society of Authors, though... I wonder if the departure of Joanne Harris as chair will mean they're a bit more professional and mindful of their reputation going forward.

Has Joanne Harris gone? Hadn't heard - hopefully good news, although likely she'll be replaced with another simpering handmaiden, I suspect.

namechange9357 · 29/08/2024 10:41

ColourByNumbers88 · 28/08/2024 10:49

It's interesting what the Am I Broken podcast left out. There were further details in Tortoise ep 6. It's like AP and NG get kicks from setting challenges for each other. AP was the initial contact for Scarlett and Claire. Yet the things I've read give an underlying impression that she's utterly disgusted by him - her recent song lyrics and the interview in WBUR. She talks about what women have been through and how hers is minimal in comparison. People around him must be well aware of his behaviour and some must enable it. His style of writing is not my thing so I knew nothing about him. The hypocrisy of his actions and how he frames himself is shocking - soft spoken, caring, what a master manipulator. The wokescreen is a perfect description.

I doubt very much he'll ever be tried for these assaults. But if it makes young women more aware of the risks and takes away his ability to self promote and engage which must be killing his ego.

From the podcast it seems ike AP was intentionally creating a pipeline of awestruck 22 year olds for NG to sleep with, presumably to protect the marriage. But I don’t want to believe that of someone who seems like they were also a victim of his behaviour (I personally don’t believe there is an ok way to have an open marriage with a baby/toddler involved that doesn’t inevitably become one-sided and abusive to the mother).

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 10:54

Do feel free to tell Deadline we don't care what NG has to say unless it's addressing the allegations...

deadline.com/2024/08/michael-sheen-good-omens-final-season-satisfying-experience-fans-1236049700/

Neil Gaiman Accused Of Sexual Assault Pt II
namechange9357 · 29/08/2024 11:00

Resorting to hiding behind the words of a sadly departed national treasure. Great look.

AsMyGranWouldSay · 29/08/2024 13:03

namechange9357 · 29/08/2024 11:00

Resorting to hiding behind the words of a sadly departed national treasure. Great look.

Exactly. A creep and a coward. How banal.

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 15:00

namechange9357 · 29/08/2024 11:00

Resorting to hiding behind the words of a sadly departed national treasure. Great look.

Right? How dare he.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 29/08/2024 15:14

Just coming here to give the thread a bump. How many days is it now? What a horrible little man he is.

CorruptedCauldron · 29/08/2024 16:53

I still think a lot of people won’t have heard about these allegations thanks to the media cover-up and bot spamfest. What a wonderful sense of job satisfaction those PR specialists must feel.

“What did you do at work today darling?”
”Oh, you know. This and that. Tried to bury some allegations of sexual assault against Neil Gaiman.”
”But what if he’s guilty?”
”Well, the thing is, he’s paying us lots of money.”
”Oh, I guess that makes it alright then.”

Let’s do some Search Engine Optimisation…

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teawamutu · 29/08/2024 17:20

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 10:54

Do feel free to tell Deadline we don't care what NG has to say unless it's addressing the allegations...

deadline.com/2024/08/michael-sheen-good-omens-final-season-satisfying-experience-fans-1236049700/

I left a comment hours ago. Still hasn't shown up. I'm surprised.

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 17:23

teawamutu · 29/08/2024 17:20

I left a comment hours ago. Still hasn't shown up. I'm surprised.

Same. Wierd, huh? ;)

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 17:24

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 29/08/2024 15:14

Just coming here to give the thread a bump. How many days is it now? What a horrible little man he is.

There's a daily counter throughout the thread :) today is day 58...

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 17:26

CorruptedCauldron · 29/08/2024 16:53

I still think a lot of people won’t have heard about these allegations thanks to the media cover-up and bot spamfest. What a wonderful sense of job satisfaction those PR specialists must feel.

“What did you do at work today darling?”
”Oh, you know. This and that. Tried to bury some allegations of sexual assault against Neil Gaiman.”
”But what if he’s guilty?”
”Well, the thing is, he’s paying us lots of money.”
”Oh, I guess that makes it alright then.”

Let’s do some Search Engine Optimisation…

Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement.

I mention it frequently on my personal social accounts and each time different friends and family express shock. These are friends and family who engage with and comment on my posts frequently. It's almost as though algorithms are being tweaked to hide any posts sharing Tortoise links, or mentioning it...

VictorianBigot · 29/08/2024 17:41

@CorruptedCauldron

Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement. Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault and has yet to make a statement.

I’ll add a few into the mix.

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Hatfullofwillow · 29/08/2024 17:48

I can count the number of celebrities accused of sexual assault by multiple women who weren't guilty on the fingers of one foot.

I watched the Tupac documentary last night where they discussed the phenomenon whereby a fan thinks of their idol as a friend and therefore can't easily accept that they'd behave in a way that would appeal them. A parasocial relationship. I think there's probably a lot of this going on with sections of NG's fanbase who are quite active on social media.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 29/08/2024 18:39

Thanks @notathenabutcassandra I missed but very much appreciate your daily count.

I like to mention NG IRL where I can as Guardian and BBC subscribers are the most likely to remain ignorant. Every little helps

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 19:20

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 29/08/2024 18:39

Thanks @notathenabutcassandra I missed but very much appreciate your daily count.

I like to mention NG IRL where I can as Guardian and BBC subscribers are the most likely to remain ignorant. Every little helps

That's a really good idea. I hadn't thought of dropping things into article comments, even unrelated ones. 👏

StainlessSteelMouse · 29/08/2024 19:21

Hatfullofwillow · 29/08/2024 17:48

I can count the number of celebrities accused of sexual assault by multiple women who weren't guilty on the fingers of one foot.

I watched the Tupac documentary last night where they discussed the phenomenon whereby a fan thinks of their idol as a friend and therefore can't easily accept that they'd behave in a way that would appeal them. A parasocial relationship. I think there's probably a lot of this going on with sections of NG's fanbase who are quite active on social media.

This will sound weird, but hear me out - sometimes I think the most mentally healthy fandom out there is Kiss fans.

Ask a Kiss fan if they think Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are lovely guys, and they'll most likely tell you that Paul and Gene are a couple of gigantic assholes who are only in it for the money, who probably stopped caring about the music decades ago... but they work really hard to entertain us, so we're happy to give Paul and Gene a little bit of our money in exchange for the fun they give us.

A lot of NG's young fans seem to have adopted him as a friend/cool uncle/life coach. If they feel betrayed it's for the right reasons, but I can't help thinking they're very similar to the subset of Harry Potter fans who formed a really unhealthy parasocial attachment to JKR and then turned viciously against her when mummy said something mean.

AlwaysSometimesRarelyNever · 29/08/2024 20:57

teawamutu · 29/08/2024 17:20

I left a comment hours ago. Still hasn't shown up. I'm surprised.

I know it is a little thing, but I contacted audible abd requested a refund on one of his audio books. I linked to the tortoise news article

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 29/08/2024 21:03

@StainlessSteelMouse - as a Kiss fan and a Van Halen fan, I second this theory.

notathenabutcassandra · 29/08/2024 22:31

I just realised that these images won't be adding words to the search engine optimisation 😕 didn't think of that. From tomorrow I'll just do a written tally so that the word count goes up!

Neil Gaiman Accused Of Sexual Assault Pt II
annejumps · 29/08/2024 22:54

StainlessSteelMouse · 29/08/2024 19:21

This will sound weird, but hear me out - sometimes I think the most mentally healthy fandom out there is Kiss fans.

Ask a Kiss fan if they think Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are lovely guys, and they'll most likely tell you that Paul and Gene are a couple of gigantic assholes who are only in it for the money, who probably stopped caring about the music decades ago... but they work really hard to entertain us, so we're happy to give Paul and Gene a little bit of our money in exchange for the fun they give us.

A lot of NG's young fans seem to have adopted him as a friend/cool uncle/life coach. If they feel betrayed it's for the right reasons, but I can't help thinking they're very similar to the subset of Harry Potter fans who formed a really unhealthy parasocial attachment to JKR and then turned viciously against her when mummy said something mean.

Importantly, KISS openly acknowledges that they're in it for the money.

hihelenhi · 30/08/2024 19:11

An interesting new development on the Reddit thread. Someone there has done some digging and regarding the "therapist" both NG and AP urged a suicidal Scarlett to contact... while it was obvious that it was super dodgy and would be deeply unprofessional anyway, it now appears this person appears to have no qualifications whatsoever and claims to have been a 'minister' of some kind. I wonder what his real connection is.

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VictorianBigot · 30/08/2024 19:35

I saw that @hihelenhi. It’s so fucked up.

DeanElderberry · 30/08/2024 19:38

oh dear, that is very dodgy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Ministers

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