‘Demure and mindful’ - oh great.

[LunaNorth]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23zye08j4o

So this trend. I’m bridling at the ‘demure and mindful’ bullshit being promoted by someone who is performing femininity.

Demure and mindful women seldom make history. Here we go again, being sent back into our boxes by men.

in which case, what are people like Laverne Cox identifying as, if there is literally no definition of 'woman'?

the world must be a very confusing place to you

yes, and what are the characteristics of the thing they are identifying as?

it's really not a difficult question

You can say it is offensive. But it is fact and telling me I am offensive is just you attempting to shame me for disagreeing with you.

They live their lives as males with transgender identities. How can they live as anything else?

Can you also explain how the people with all the other 130+ genders live as their gender identity? Cat gender? How does that work?

What about the people who have extreme body modifications and identify as a lizard or snake? Are they living as a lizard or snake? They hold their belief as strongly as a male person who describes themselves as a female.

I don't identify as a woman so what the hell am I?

can you explain to me why women in Afghanistan don't identify as men? they'd be allowed to speak in public and use mobile phones then

I guess those Afghan women are pretty dumb, eh, to have missed a loophole like that?

Charming.

OK, so women are nice?

have we identified characteristic one?

You seem to be using circular logic.

They cannot just be women because they identify as women when you cannot explain what a woman is.

How about we change this and you explain what you believe the definition of a female person is?

Gail doesn’t identify as one so I’m not sure it gets us any further!

Your posts don't make any sense.

So a woman is anyone who identifies as one

if you don’t identify as woman you are not a woman

good lord

This is the extent of it at the moment rufus. I am hoping that we get more clarity soon.

Gail said she didn’t identify as a woman: I’m merely quoting that.

Ok, now I’m more confused than ever. If there isn’t a prescribed list of characteristics that one has to conform to, how would a transwoman actually live as a woman? What would they do that would amount to living as a woman if there are no prescribed characteristics? How would they or anyone else know that they are living as a woman in that case?

No I don't identify as a woman, I just am one. Why do you have a problem with that? Why are you insisting that I and Angela Merkel have to identify as a woman? Does your whole ideology fall apart if we don't?

Loving your optimism helle

“How would they or anyone else know that they are living as a woman in that case?”

I can’t wait to hear this answer.

Me neither, Helle.

well that's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of

Elle is very sure that the Jools chap from the article is a woman. She's happy to call people who disagree with her dinosaurs and TERFs. So she must be really clear on what a woman is, to be happy insulting people who disagree with her

I'm hoping she's going to give me a few bullet points of the criteria she uses to identify women that make her so very sure of herself