blimey-trouble at mill-prick news goes weird.

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I think asking women working for you to be a surrogate is an abuse of power and morally wrong. However it’s a biological fact that females are the only ones who can get pregnant. It’s not sexist or misogynistic to ask females only. That would mean the non-misogynistic way would be to ask the males to be surrogates too. Which is ludicrous.

Maybe there’s a way it could be construed as being sexist/misogynistic if you believe women can be men and vice versa? I don’t know - my mind can’t compute the philosophy behind that.

Kneejerk answer: most of them.

But agree it would be useful. Where would be suitable? X?

It's massively hypocritical. Pink News are 100% 'twaw you bigoted terf', but obviously knows they aren't when they needed someone to gestate a child.

In the topsy-turvy world of trans activism perhaps that's the problem. They were misogynistic towards tw because it was only the biological females they asked. That's assuming they didn't ask a tm. Although asking a 'man' to carry a child might be transphobic...except men can get pregnant so...

In short, fuck knows!

It is misogyny as it's harassment of women because they are female.

I thought it was unusual that that was the second part of the sentence. Perhaps construction isn’t what I meant. I was anticipating the more ‘traditional’ sexist stuff as an example after the ‘and’.

I suppose it’s an abuse of power that they are only applying to the females which is sexist.

But there’s a difference in saying, ‘I don’t want to promote you’(because you might get pregnant but a man becoming a father is fine) and this. He’s asking for a ‘service’ being provided that can only be done by women.

To me, it just sounded an odd sentence. And yes I think it’s because of course they wouldn’t have asked men but then my mind has jumped to all the scenarios of who they asked and different groups who would be offended and complained, given their demographic.

If I were a teacher I would be saying ‘can you expand on this please?’

’in short, fuck knows’ 😂

Yes, that’s about where I am at!

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 10:13

Bloody excellent piece of analysis there!

Didn't Ben Cohen get sacked from the BBC a while ago? Bearing in mind some of the BBC's employee troubles, you'd have to imagine it's a pretty high threshold to get the boot...

Something else that strikes me is how brave the employees are to go on record.

Cohen and James have power, wealth and influence, its a big thing to go against people like them.

Why don't they ask their transwomen friends if they'll be surrogates.

Transmisogyny innit. Or possibly massive hypocrisy. 🤔

@Iamiams - reading that bit in context I think it was just one particular egregious example '.... while another called it "part and parcel" of how "misogynistic" PinkNews was.'

Don't worry, I'm sure they asked everyone's pronouns before joking about surrogacy so they could make sure only people who identify as people who can be pregnant were told they should be surrogates... How else would they know after all? Any people can be pregnant.

"I identify as a surrogate mother. What do you mean I need to be female and actually carry a baby?"

Misogyny: hatred of and contempt for women.

I find it hard to think of a clearer and more definite example of that than suggesting to a woman you have no personal relationship with or affection for that she should become pregnant and bear a baby for you.

A common motivator of wartime rapes of women from the 'other side' - make them have your baby.

It's laudable that the exploited employees have spoken up.

Being pregnant is a protected characteristic under the 'sex' clause in the equality act.

Therefore if you are harassing staff members to become pregnant for you, that's sexual harassment on the basis of their sex.

Since only females can get pregnant it very much is misogyny.

And an abuse of power.

I hope all said no to carrying the child of this pair.

Pinknews have lost Reddit. Biggest UK politics sub and look at the comments lots of people pointing out not just the dodgy nature of the bosses, but questioning the entire agenda of Pricknews.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1hay7t3/pinknews_bosses_accused_of_sexual_misconduct/

Indicative of a major shift I feel. If you lose Reddit you really are on a downward slide.

Agree. I can't see how Pink News can survive this - unless, possibly, they are taken over by another publisher who promises to start again with a clean slate.

For a short while there was a good alternative to Pink News called Lesbian and Gay News, but it didn't last.

I was a big fan of George Takei for a time, but at some point his SM just became a re-share portal for Pink News (it seemed to me) and I went off the guy. Shame, as he's an absolute treasure in many ways.

Yes, I liked him at one point but then realised how much he despises women.

Yes I mentioned earlier in the thread how I saw someone get their arse handed to them on a TRA thread for posting a link to PN. This was before these latest revelations as well.

The allegations of abuse are going to be discussed on The Media Show on Radio 4 shortly. Maybe in 5+ minutes.

I’d be absolutely delighted if PN ceased to exist 😄

sincerely
~ a lesbian

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce908k1z8r3o