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Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

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Taytoface · 19/08/2024 09:20

Horrific story about death due to surgical complications, was reading it and poof. Anyone know what happened. This is such important information to get out there.

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Caliga · 20/08/2024 07:45

And there you are.

I'm fairly happy that "my side" (whatever that is) doesn't use fruitfarms as a useful source. But whatever you think, necessary.

Caliga · 20/08/2024 07:47

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 20/08/2024 07:42

If they’d stop talking I’d be ok
Guys, stop telling me off, it’s counterproductive!

I do like this one. The Left is making me do it!

It's not. It's just you.

AlisonDonut · 20/08/2024 07:48

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 20/08/2024 07:41

To be fair, I’m moving further right with every post that certain folk here make. The more people try and tell me what I’m allowed to think and say, the more right wing I seem to get. I feel as though I’m being pushed right despite my inclinations

I'm apparently a nazi because I go out, have coffee and cake with people who moved to the region I live any time in the last 40 years, and ask people about themselves.

So yes I do have to ask what they mean exactly!

AlisonDonut · 20/08/2024 07:48

Caliga · 20/08/2024 07:45

And there you are.

I'm fairly happy that "my side" (whatever that is) doesn't use fruitfarms as a useful source. But whatever you think, necessary.

Nobody is making you do anything.

That's a Far Left move.

OldCrone · 20/08/2024 07:49

Caliga · 20/08/2024 02:36

No. That's a classic response - "You just think it's far right because you think it's horrible". It encompasses all the hate and bilge that can't be expressed on the usual sites. This hostility and ideology stems most commonly from the far right. Sorry.

Is the hate and bilge on this sign from the far right?

Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted
KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 20/08/2024 07:52

Caliga · 20/08/2024 07:47

I do like this one. The Left is making me do it!

It's not. It's just you.

snow white cooking GIF

Me, making cookies for the next rally and it’s all because you can’t help yourself, Caligula.

Helleofabore · 20/08/2024 08:01

Caliga · 20/08/2024 07:45

And there you are.

I'm fairly happy that "my side" (whatever that is) doesn't use fruitfarms as a useful source. But whatever you think, necessary.

Hilarious.

What side is that then? I don’t use kiwi farms as a resource, but now I am really interested what the fuck you use as a resource considering what you have been posting on another thread that you believe is ‘plausible’. Because it doesn’t seem to be an accurate resource that provides information, it seems to be regurgitated opinion from self identified opinion leaders who don’t seem to understand the information they are broadcasting fully formed opinions on.

Caliga · 20/08/2024 08:07

@OldCrone

Is the hate and bilge on this sign from the far right?

As said to Hellofabore, most commonly the hate and bilge on the fruitfarms comes from the far right - meaning, most but not all.

Of course that sign isn't acceptable.

Catsmere · 20/08/2024 08:09

I've read comments elsewhere from women pointing out that the trans privilege movement is itself right wing. Authoritarian, violent, racist, male supremacist ... they have a point, so virtue signalling about how GC women must be purer than pure just makes me roll my eyes.

FrancescaContini · 20/08/2024 08:13

NitroNine · 20/08/2024 03:46

The claim it’s “life-saving” makes it even worse, somehow. The NHS is in absolute bits. Treating severe burns? That’s life-saving plastics work. Doing a cystectomy & creating a urostomy for someone with bladder cancer: saving lives in urology.

I am enraged the NHS funds this under the banner of “life-saving care” when some people have to move from one UK country to another to get cancer treatment (depending on where drug funded). The NHS doesn’t supply wheelchairs to meet people’s clinical needs (as assessed by them) & people are paying money they don’t have because they’re in agony & increasingly immobile as they need a new hip & can’t cope with waiting another 2-3 years. People are having to pay for things without which they physically cannot function - even if it’s “just” topping up continence supplies - but the NHS has for some reason jumped on board with experimental surgery that will inevitably cause complications & require multiple revisions.

Put the money into improving gender services so people get proper therapy; so accurate records are kept; & - vitally - detransitioners can be treated. The NHS can’t fund everything & it has no bloody business funding experimental surgeries that are so staggeringly destructive.

Excellent post. Thanks.

Caliga · 20/08/2024 08:15

@Helleofabore

What side is that then? I don’t use kiwi farms as a resource, but now I am really interested what the fuck you use as a resource considering what you have been posting on another thread that you believe is ‘plausible’. Because it doesn’t seem to be an accurate resource that provides information, it seems to be regurgitated opinion from self identified opinion leaders who don’t seem to understand the information they are broadcasting fully formed opinions on.

I just said "whatever that is"? It certainly isn't far right.

And how superior of you to suggest my thoughts are regurgitated opinions from inaccurate sources. Are you my teacher? No? Then any essay-writing critiques are best kept to yourself, please.

Dygger · 20/08/2024 08:22

Catsmere · 20/08/2024 07:37

I saw this the other day and it seems apt.

Edited

Oooh, where did you find that? I've screenshot it but would love to find the original so I can use it more easily.

Helleofabore · 20/08/2024 08:23

Caliga · 20/08/2024 08:15

@Helleofabore

What side is that then? I don’t use kiwi farms as a resource, but now I am really interested what the fuck you use as a resource considering what you have been posting on another thread that you believe is ‘plausible’. Because it doesn’t seem to be an accurate resource that provides information, it seems to be regurgitated opinion from self identified opinion leaders who don’t seem to understand the information they are broadcasting fully formed opinions on.

I just said "whatever that is"? It certainly isn't far right.

And how superior of you to suggest my thoughts are regurgitated opinions from inaccurate sources. Are you my teacher? No? Then any essay-writing critiques are best kept to yourself, please.

Well, to use your terminology, I was aiming for the “nicest interpretation”.

Thank you for clearing up that you are just throwing stuff out there with little evidence or understanding.

Dygger · 20/08/2024 08:24

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Helleofabore · 20/08/2024 08:26

It Is good to have that cleared up as well dygger

timenowplease · 20/08/2024 08:29

For those asking for a definition of 'far-right' it means 'Shut up'.

You're welcome.

timenowplease · 20/08/2024 08:33

'Extreme far-right' means 'Shut the fuck up NOW'

Helleofabore · 20/08/2024 08:34

Catsmere · 20/08/2024 08:09

I've read comments elsewhere from women pointing out that the trans privilege movement is itself right wing. Authoritarian, violent, racist, male supremacist ... they have a point, so virtue signalling about how GC women must be purer than pure just makes me roll my eyes.

Yes. And the belief in identity is solely based on the individual. The degree of individualism is rather detrimental to collectivism, it could be argued.

OldCrone · 20/08/2024 08:35

Caliga · 20/08/2024 08:07

@OldCrone

Is the hate and bilge on this sign from the far right?

As said to Hellofabore, most commonly the hate and bilge on the fruitfarms comes from the far right - meaning, most but not all.

Of course that sign isn't acceptable.

I'm a bit mystified as to why you believe the fruitfarms is a political site. I haven't seen a lot of political discussion on that site. What makes you think it's a site discussing far right politics?

timenowplease · 20/08/2024 08:35

'Right-wing conspiracy theorist' means 'Someone who has dared to say something that falls outside the narrative being pushed by mainstream media'

OldCrone · 20/08/2024 08:41

Catsmere · 20/08/2024 08:09

I've read comments elsewhere from women pointing out that the trans privilege movement is itself right wing. Authoritarian, violent, racist, male supremacist ... they have a point, so virtue signalling about how GC women must be purer than pure just makes me roll my eyes.

I agree.

I do find it surprising that so many people who purport to be socialists are so on board with it. The individualism doesn't seem to sit well with a political viewpoint which supposedly values community and caring about all members of society. Arguing that privileged males should have everything they want at the expense of women and children seems a bit odd.

The Communist Party isn't on board with trans ideology though, and they are normally considered to be left wing.

FrancescaContini · 20/08/2024 08:44

Calling someone “right wing” is not only a way to get them to shut up but also to apologise for their view, and perhaps grovel for forgiveness.

Reducing discussions about genderism to a binary left / right wing is very sixth form. I can hear Rik shouting “Fascist!” I get the feeling that “right wing” comments come from posters who were born a long time after the Young Ones were on TV.

Dygger · 20/08/2024 08:48

'Extreme far-right' means 'Shut the fuck up NOW'

Yup. I actively campaigned and canvassed for my leftie-Labour MP back in June yet apparently I've been extreme right for many years because I don't believe men can be women.

It does, as a previous poster noted, make one feel more and more like actually moving to the right.

TheKeatingFive · 20/08/2024 08:50

OldCrone · 20/08/2024 08:41

I agree.

I do find it surprising that so many people who purport to be socialists are so on board with it. The individualism doesn't seem to sit well with a political viewpoint which supposedly values community and caring about all members of society. Arguing that privileged males should have everything they want at the expense of women and children seems a bit odd.

The Communist Party isn't on board with trans ideology though, and they are normally considered to be left wing.

It's very odd.

The trans movement is certainly not classically left wing. It's a strange combination of left wing utopian thinking, Big pharma, extreme individualism and authoritarian illiberalism. The latter three are definitely more right than left leaning.

But then, I don't find 'left' versus 'right' helpful labels these days. I agree it's much more about official narrative versus alternatives.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 20/08/2024 08:51

Kiwi farms is rude. As in, impolite. It’s robust, sweary, takes no prisoners and no one- no one- is immune from being pointed at and laughed at.

And it’s truthful. If you make a claim, you back it up. And that backing up is often the last place evidence can be seen when the rest of the net has been scrupulously scraped clean of things people don’t want you to know.