Anyone know why the thread about the death of the young transman has been deleted

[Taytoface]

Horrific story about death due to surgical complications, was reading it and poof. Anyone know what happened. This is such important information to get out there.

I'm abandoning this thread because of the unfortunate derailment. I hope Griffin's family sues for malpractice and the appalling loss of a young life contributes to a much greater questioning of gender affirming care models. I'm of to write a letter to my MP about that hospital in Chelsea.

I don’t find it difficult to imagine typing out a sensible post. What’s wrong with what @Helleofabore said?

@ItsFunToBeAVampire

Interestingly, you criticise people using KF when you use Reddit.
Do you know about all the subs that are about incest and rape? And only a few years ago had a sub called jailbait, which was exactly what it sounds like. That's just scratching the surface of that cesspit.
Or is it only OK to go on certain websites when you do it? Guilt by association works both ways, no?

That's funny. Are there little fluffy things on KF too?

@Helleofabore

Would you like to define ‘far right’, of what constitutes ‘hate and bilge’ and what are the ‘usual sites’ so that we can all have a discussion where we understand what you are referring to? While you are here and all. It relates to your very first post on thread, doesn't it?

See, no. You're only trying to trap me. Whatever I say, you'll pick to pieces, so I doesn't matter really.

Well we can't have sensible conversations about anything if people won't provide definitions of what they're talking about.

Without that, it's just distraction or mudslinging or an attempt to shut down debate.

@Waitingfordoggo

I don’t find it difficult to imagine typing out a sensible post. What’s wrong with what @Helleofabore said?

If you don't mind being talked down to, you won't find anything wrong.

So the 'spectrum' you mention here isn't the political spectrum, as that is only one element of your spectrum. I wonder what your spectrum is?

Is it 'the right side of history (TM) -to- evil wrong thinker (throw them in the Gulag!)' spectrum.

This. I don't know why people engage.

The far right trope is the only tool they have left in the box and it's very blunt now. People should just ignore it.

See, no. You're only trying to trap me. Whatever I say, you'll pick to pieces, so I doesn't matter really.

Well you sound a bit sensitive if you think Hella was ‘talking down’ to you. She was just explaining how people have discussions online, giving evidence for their assertions and expecting others to provide evidence for theirs. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Isn't one of the issues in the US that teens and young adults are covered by their parents medical insurance so there's a real time pressure to getting surgeries etc done before they are no longer covered by the parents policy.

I wonder what your spectrum is?

Maybe it's the Donnie Darko Life Line again.

We've been blessed by a visit from Kitty Farmer. (The film had the personality type locked down quite well - everything so morally clear-cut, total lack of curiosity, and the resultant slavish devotion to very dodgy people).

Oooh, a harbinger of DEI training. No questions or deviation allowed. This is what you WILL believe!

And there's this from Colin Wright which is remarkably accurate and plausibly even worse now.

I love that cartoon.

I don't know that this has really occurred to me but it's a good point. Are the revision surgeries usually covered by health insurance? I've heard detransitioning isn't but perhaps that's partly because they've aged out of their parents cover before regret sets in?

I wonder, considering revisions and repairs, there's a perverse incentive to not do your best work. It seems these kids often stick with the same surgeon, that's a whole income stream just from one person. Then there's upselling.

Actually, most of my students have heard the terms far right and left but don’t actually understand what the terms mean. Likely because of not really following politics or been exposed to political theory.

NB. For clarity, not suggesting that other poster doesn’t follow politics but just that sometimes when terms are highly familiar to one, to remember they’re not familiar to others. Edited to add might have been sarcasm but that can be v difficult to tell online.

UK policy specifically excludes detransition/reversal surgeries, fwiw.

From the last page of the Service Spec I posted upthread:

' ...to clarify that the following procedure is not funded by NHS
England: reversal of a previous surgical intervention for the treatment of
gender dysphoria that is requested due to regret or other change of mind by an
individual who no longer has a diagnosis of gender dysphoria'

Also, I recall that US doctor filmed talking about what a fantastic revenue stream gender surgeries were mentioning the repeat/revision/repair procedures as being part of that revenue stream. Can't recall which hospital - perhaps Boston Children's?

@Catsmere

Could you please send me an Ovarit invite code? TIA ☺️

Monstrous, and I'm assuming these surgeons aren't doing their best work. It seems possible though that they actually are, at least in some instances, but their best still isn't good enough.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4652020-news-article-boston-childrens-hospital-claim-babies-know-they-are-trans-in-the-womb?reply=120633503&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

Copy-pasting a post from that thread that may be pertinent:

"Perfectly usual in the States for young adults to be treated at Children’s Hospitals.

For some really rare conditions people remain with a paeds specialist their whole life as there isn’t an adult service to transition to, but that’s fairly unusual. As a result of that kind of need, however, Boston Children’s now run a clinic for adults - of any age - with congenital heart disease: mostly they’re lifelong BCH patients, but they’ll accept anyone with a qualifying condition.

The transition/turfing out point now is generally between 21 & 26 (latter is when children stop being covered by their parents’ insurance). Lots of people with health conditions requiring hospital care choose to remain with existing consultants/care teams during their undergraduate degree (if they do one) so they’re not making loads of big life changes at once (& you can’t move to adult services before 18) but you do see a certain sort of profile on social media clinging to paeds teams (including their paediatricians) for as long as possible.

BCH’s main cut-off age for treatment is 21. They do run a couple of adult clinics (eg the cardiology one I mentioned earlier) - but they’re for adults who will have spent significant amounts of their childhoods & adolescences in hospital; & who will continue to need regular hospital treatment for the rest of their lives.

BCH offering these surgeries to people in their thirties is absolutely about making as much money as possible from this particular revenue stream. Because, let’s face it, the 35 year olds won’t be patients of 33 years standing, or even 15.

While there are of course always questions in the US about negotiating insurance coverage, why an adult would seek treatment at a children’s hospital they didn’t have a long-standing relationship with raises troubling questions. In their early twenties it could well be someone who’d begun transitioning in their late teens via BCH. Any older & it seems a deeply problematic choice."

Found it. Clip from Dr Shayne Taylor at Vanderbilt:

https://tennesseestar.com/the-tennessee-star/vanderbilts-gender-clinic-doctor-trans-surgeries-make-money-for-the-hospital/sberry/2022/09/21/

Had a quick google and it appears that children up to 26 can be included on their parents policy.
I don't know a huge amount about US medical insurance but I would imagine that employer policies vary. A parent with a senior position may be given a comprehensive policy as a perk that might not be available to the children in more junior position. If that child cannot work due to medical complications they may not be able to afford any decent policy when they turn 26

How is that even possible? Is it because those developing NHS policy treatment decisions know full well that there will be a queue of detransitioners in the years ahead?

So perfectly fine for Chelsea and Westminster hospital to cover experimental life altering surgery with extremely high rates of complications on vulnerable young people, which we know from the Tavi scandal was pushed as ‘gender affirming care’ after very few discussions. Then make them pay tens of thousands to reverse it? What could possibly form the rationale for that seemingly unethical and uncaring decision?