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Founder of Surrey Pride charged with child sex abuse

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CriticalCondition · 15/08/2024 20:41

Gosh. I remember this person from a few years ago when Starbucks was doing its Mermaid biscuits campaign. A local councillor (?) raised her concerns about safeguarding at Mermaids and he had a real go at her.

BBC News - Surrey Pride founder faces child sex abuse charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k4g6ek3xvo

Staines Magistrates' Court.

Surrey Pride founder and volunteer facing child sex abuse charges

Stephen Ireland and David Sutton, both from Addlestone, were arrested on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k4g6ek3xvo

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Thesquarerootofnotgivingafuck · 16/08/2024 06:50

Hazell Dean sounds like a nightmare, cant get the excuses in fast enough. Absolutely no awareness, compassion for the victims, just "we didn't know/ I hardly saw him, we were duped" she should get in the bin and take her entire organisation with her and if I can "borrow" one of the stupid rainbow police cars I'll drive over the that bin till it's flat as a pancake and I'll STILL be fucking annoyed at the fact that "this never happens" has happened every fucking day for years and they're still turning a blind eye again.
"Pride in Surrey team have worked tirelessly to provide safe spaces, create events, and provide services for the LGBTQ+ community in Surrey" that doesn't make the cover you provided for paedophiles ok.

quantumbutterfly · 16/08/2024 06:53

AudHvamm · 16/08/2024 06:41

Of course!

It's good to see the clarification of child under 13. I've wondered if the reporting on CSA is confusing to the general reader sometimes because the same language is used for a 16 yo and a 7 yo and often without the clarification of age. I don't mean to suggest SA is less wrong if the victim is 14 but I do think it creates a clearer picture of the offender. Be interested to hear what others think on this.

Yes. To describe the abuse of teenagers post puberty as paedophilia hides the horror of someone who looks at a toddler with sexual intent.

Thesquarerootofnotgivingafuck · 16/08/2024 06:54

We need to rename it SHAME IN SURREY

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 16/08/2024 06:58

ArabellaScott · 15/08/2024 21:29

The tweet’s been deleted, what did it say?

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 16/08/2024 07:03

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 21:57

Not ANOTHER one!
How many now, I've lost count?

.... but it Never Happens!

Keepsmesane · 16/08/2024 07:04

this is Hazel Deans website you can email her whether she ever reads them who knows, was she famous? Vague recollection of her?Anyway Ive posted on her what website what I think https://hazelldean.net

I wonder if a complaint to Surrey Police about their involvement with Pride? Guess they all will say it’s a one off incident, not usual, everyone is lovely and perfect but you always get a bad egg or two. Guess we just have to wait for more children and girls and women to be subject to harm and worse until there are so many they have to recognise it, by then the gender ideology will be so ingrained in society there will be no way back. Glad I wont be dealing with this and that shit in a couple of decades!

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https://hazelldean.net/singles-archive

Chersfrozenface · 16/08/2024 07:10

AudHvamm · 16/08/2024 06:41

Of course!

It's good to see the clarification of child under 13. I've wondered if the reporting on CSA is confusing to the general reader sometimes because the same language is used for a 16 yo and a 7 yo and often without the clarification of age. I don't mean to suggest SA is less wrong if the victim is 14 but I do think it creates a clearer picture of the offender. Be interested to hear what others think on this.

The law - specifically the Sexual Offences Act 2003 - differentiates between offences against those under 13 and offences against those who are 13 and over.

TemuSpecialBuy · 16/08/2024 07:10

CriticalCondition · 15/08/2024 23:33

Those charges are genuinely horrific. Surrey Police were falling over themselves to take part in Pride in Surrey parades. I hope someone somewhere is asking some serious questions. Is this the sort of thing the Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner should be looking into?

Agreed these charges are horrifying

Abhannmor · 16/08/2024 07:22

YellowAsteroid · 16/08/2024 06:27

They just can't help it, can they? Why oh why is this so predictable?

I really hate starting to think that the arenas of "queer" and transgender activism are attractions - honeypots - for men with sexual perversions and criminal intent. But oh dear, how predictable ....

Honeypot. I'm afraid that makes perfect sense. Confuse your victims. Sex isn't real ; therefore there are no boundaries. Of course there's no right and wrong either. Such tiresome, old fashioned concepts.
Will Peter Tatchell be along to explain it all I wonder.

ArabellaScott · 16/08/2024 07:27

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 16/08/2024 06:58

The tweet’s been deleted, what did it say?

Ah, I may have saved a screenshot somewhere and/or archived it. Will check in a.bit.

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 16/08/2024 07:30

Holy shit, those charges.

Aprilpudding24 · 16/08/2024 07:34

I more surprised now the BBC reported it on it than the perpetrators of the crimes at this point.

AudHvamm · 16/08/2024 07:36

quantumbutterfly · 16/08/2024 06:53

Yes. To describe the abuse of teenagers post puberty as paedophilia hides the horror of someone who looks at a toddler with sexual intent.

Yes this is what I've thought. It's interesting to hear about the law @Chersfrozenface I don't think that always comes across clearly in reporting.

Marchingonagain · 16/08/2024 07:51

This guy is obviously evil (assuming guilty, which seems likely) and I find the whole trans thing worrying, but I don’t understand the anti-Pride sentiment in this thread. It sounds homophobic. Am I missing something?

nauticant · 16/08/2024 08:03

This is how many people see Pride these days:

nauticant · 16/08/2024 08:04

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Founder of Surrey Pride charged with child sex abuse
Retiredfromthere · 16/08/2024 08:06

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This reply has been hidden until the MNHQ team can have a look at it.

theDudesmummy · 16/08/2024 08:07

That picture is absolutely awful, what were the police doing condoning public displays of sexual fetishes in a public place? What has happened to people?

Chersfrozenface · 16/08/2024 08:14

Marchingonagain · 16/08/2024 07:51

This guy is obviously evil (assuming guilty, which seems likely) and I find the whole trans thing worrying, but I don’t understand the anti-Pride sentiment in this thread. It sounds homophobic. Am I missing something?

Pride has become more and more connected with Queer Theory, with paraphilias, with the trampling of boundaries and the assertion that everything is acceptable including sexual activity with children below the age of consent.

The photo above, and plenty of others, are visual evidence of that.

nauticant · 16/08/2024 08:16

I had to filter the photos to remove ones that would have made my point more strongly.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/08/2024 08:18

Abhannmor · 16/08/2024 07:22

Honeypot. I'm afraid that makes perfect sense. Confuse your victims. Sex isn't real ; therefore there are no boundaries. Of course there's no right and wrong either. Such tiresome, old fashioned concepts.
Will Peter Tatchell be along to explain it all I wonder.

Yes. It's tiresome that so many people jump to the conclusion that people who have a problem with the modern incarnation of Pride are homophobic. The problem isn't with the sexuality of those attending, because predators can have any sexual orientation, and statistically there will be more heterosexual predators because there are more heterosexuals than any other group. The problem is with the naive (at best) cheerleaders who say that sex is great, there should be no boundaries, no limits, anybody objecting to anything another person wants to do is being a prude and preventing them from being their authentic self, which is literal violence etc etc. All of which makes life for the predators incredibly easy and will attract them like wasps to a jampot.

I often think with great sadness of an anecdote I read here some time back from a woman whose parents prided themselves on being very liberal and open-minded. They had a male friend they would visit with their young daughter. He would cook for them. He wore a joke apron, that made it look like he was naked from the waist down, i.e. had a picture of male genitalia on it. This made her parents laugh uproariously, so she thought it must be OK for adult men to have their genitalia on display, and when the 'friend' managed to get her on her own and strip off she thought it was normal and told nobody. He was an abuser and he had groomed first her parents and then their little daughter. Her parents had ignored all the red flags.

Never forget how the Paedophile Information Exchange operated in plain sight by arguing that they were trying to get the right for children to express their sexuality and it was oppressive to have an age of consent. They fooled a great many people who should have known much, much better. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

How did the pro-paedophile group PIE exist openly for 10 years?

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

Soontobe60 · 16/08/2024 08:18

Marchingonagain · 16/08/2024 07:51

This guy is obviously evil (assuming guilty, which seems likely) and I find the whole trans thing worrying, but I don’t understand the anti-Pride sentiment in this thread. It sounds homophobic. Am I missing something?

I think you’re spectacularly missing the point. One of these perverts actually set up Surrey Pride, giving him unfettered access to young vulnerable children - after all, who’d challenge him for fear of being accused of being homophobic, pretty much as you’ve just done?
Those expressing disgust at this organisation arent homophobic, they’re paedophobic.

FrothyCothy · 16/08/2024 08:26

YellowAsteroid · 16/08/2024 06:27

They just can't help it, can they? Why oh why is this so predictable?

I really hate starting to think that the arenas of "queer" and transgender activism are attractions - honeypots - for men with sexual perversions and criminal intent. But oh dear, how predictable ....

Sadly I think it is simply that child sex abuse is utterly rampant and people either don’t see it or don’t want to see it. I work in an investigative (non-criminal) field and the number of CSA/CSA image cases we are seeing among men is just vomit-inducing. Whether it has always been that way and the internet has made it easier, whether these people are porn-sick and driven to more extreme images to get their kicks, or whether it’s linked to the blurring of boundaries with paraphilias as mentioned above, I don’t know. It does shake your faith in humanity more than a little though.

ArabellaScott · 16/08/2024 08:32

ArabellaScott · 16/08/2024 07:27

Ah, I may have saved a screenshot somewhere and/or archived it. Will check in a.bit.

https://archive.ph/fyHPa

FrancescaContini · 16/08/2024 08:32

Really sobering post @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g