Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

By attending meetings/marches/rallies organised by that group, by handing out leaflets there and by performing songs at said rallies.

So many of the Gaza protests are far right, as they justify violence against Jews?

I’m not sure how many ways there are to say it’s a statement of some people’s position. Interpretative dance maybe.

What’s the point of posting your position on anything on MN. Who’s it for. Why bother? Can’t just be the hope you hit double figure thanks

"A group of knuckle dragging ex C18 thugs using women's rights issues as an excuse to promote violence against people from the Indian sub continent" are doing so "by attending meetings/marches/rallies organised by that group, by handing out leaflets there and by performing songs at said rallies"?

I am hugely disappointed that LD of Wakefield is showing signs of racist attitudes, but I'm not convinced she's a thug using women's rights issues in that way.

Who do you think you are Arabella, JCJ?

I really is concerning that simply saying 'people have the right to speak to who they want' is enough for people to froth about how 'you must be far right'. We see it over and over.

They will come for you next, you are never going to be pure enough. Best to just engage with whoever you want, with humanity and compassion without cross referencing all their previous tweets and opinions before deeming that they are 'pure enough' to speak to.

I am just a tusker in the wilds, Tinsel.

Ahhh got it. Just a waste of time and energy with a touch of scolding added. Worthless and meaningless 🙄

Arabella - what do I get if i agree, or if I don't agree? Is one a lollipop and the other the stocks of shame? Can I have both? 😬

I'll have to think about it, Purple. Here, have a lollipop of shame while I make my mind up.

So please do correct me if I've got this wrong: it's absolutely OK to use quotes from different posts, run together, if it suits your purpose, even if it changes the meaning, it's OK to criticise some women, but not those defied by a group of self appointed forum police, some posters are entitled to be a rude as they please, others must be quiet. You must have no opinion if other posters do not know your position in the hierarchy of women's rights and what actions you have taken in this particular round of the battle.

Hasn’t anyone said that people don’t have the right to speak to who they want? The point of contention seems to be whether other people are then obliged not to criticise them or choose not to work with them or whatever. You’re the one expanding the meaning of ‘far right’

Just confirming that you agree far right includes those protesting on behalf of Gaza as per you previous definition?

But exactly who are they critiquing? No names suggests they're cautious about being sued I.e. they know that they're not on solid ground.
One group advocates Let Women Speak and the other demands Let US speak for Women. Will the people who signed this letter stand up against the introduction of more hate speech legislation, I have my doubts.

I listened to a couple of Twitter spaces today about this. There were a LOT of women who were very upset and angry about being tarred as ' far right' ( which in my opinion is as meaningless as being called transphobic ). This is a direct attack on Kellie Jay Keen and all the many women who support her and attend Let Women Speak events.

One woman was especially worried that this letter could put women in real danger if they attend the LWS events in Hyde Park, because they're now being accused of being racists and Islamophobic, they could be at risk of being physically attacked. Personally I think this letter is irresponsible, and finally, WHO HAS WRITTEN IT? I feel like pp have been played by this and in the rush to virtue signal, have put women in real danger, as TRAs will gleefully jump on this and say I told you so...

Massive own goal.

Wait, is it not signed?

It's an anonymous, new account on Twitter, no One knows who has written this!

I see. Well, gosh.

Do you feel the wives and daughters of these people should be discouraged from supporting things like single sex spaces, then?

This is the point these people do not get. It is not about creating some kind of right-on feminist club. It's about creating a political consensus about policy points that affect many people. Especially women, but also children, fathers, husbands, sons, people of religious faith, people who want real secular education, all kinds of people.

Because the point is to create political policy change that is widely supported.

These "feminists" seem to think it's about being part of the right social clique.

Given BackToLurk’s definition of far right, it sounds like the writers of this letter/statement fall into the definition of ‘far right’ themselves…

Kellie Jay has posted a video about it now

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQuS__fmJfk

Not my definition. The definition from the statement. Didn’t you read it?

The authors and signatories are there for everyone to see. I appreciate that clicking on a link, reading it and thinking about it before you start criticising it isn't how this board works these days, but give it a go.

As an aside, it's interesting that as soon as the far right is named, someone mentions KJK as any criticism of the far right must be about her. It's always one of her supports who posits this link as above.

Your definition was ”anyone who justifies or incites the violent scapegoating of immigrants and minoritised communities”. So if the signatories of the statement are inciting or justifying the violent scapegoating of LWS then they must be far right too?

I think there is an element of these idiots judging people by their own standards.

They would never go to an event or participate unless they 100% approved of the purity of the organizations and leaders, unless they are writing for the Daily Mail for money.

It does not occur to them that many other people will have a kind of board agreement around an specific issue - two-tier policing is real and bad, say - and will go to events or marches etc about that and don't really care about the organizers or other attendees.

The reason being that they go to represent themselves, they don't see it as giving support to any other ideas other have, be they organizers or whatever.

But then - they are not consistent - none of them seemed to think we should judge the people at BLM rallies by the problems of the leaders, who were grifters and racists. Which is correct - most people who went to the rallies didn't care much about the leaders, they were there to make a statement on their own behalf.

Not read the full thread,but I can no longer hold back from decrying those evil fascists: the vegetarians!!!! I mean they must be the worst bigots ever, as Literal Hitler was one, so they all agree on that, and therefore EVERYTHING else!!!