Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

The absolute funniest thing of all is the assumption we should all just accept that 'far right discourse' (which is already pompous language) is influencing GC women at all - because they said so.

Very much the same as we're supposed to believe TWAW (despite all evidence to the contrary) because TRAs say so.

The condescension to normal women, most of whom are far too busy doing jobs and trying to juggle their unpaid caring roles to pontificate on 'far right discourse' and who certainly don't have time to read pages and pages of sanctimonious verbosity, is also a very unattractive trait.

Women are in this fight not because they have time to sit around having political discussions over tea and coming up with crap like this letter, but because it's critical for women's sex based rights and has a real and dreadful impact on them and those they love in real life - excluding women from spaces, traumatising women who don't get single sex care, prisons or rape counselling. They're trying to force team us - it won't work. We don't accept their framing. We're at the hard end of reality and they're not and it bloody well shows.

Trying to understand the lives of women outside of their narrow group would be a far better use of their time.

So it is Tommy Robinson's fault that this judge let off a child rapist? Or Tommy Robinson's influence that a woman feels strongly about a child rapist getting let off because his wife doesn't speak English?

You need to use your words and explain what it is that you think has influenced Hazel here.

Well, I was quite grateful because I don't know my way around X/'gc' accounts.

Those tweets do look pretty horrible, backstory or not, but free speech is free speech so ...

This looks like a trade mark problem. Signifiers like suffragette colours, dinosaurs etc are having their distinctiveness undermined.

But how is the letter supposed to help?

It's also very, very offensive to imply that ANY GC women in ANY WAY influenced a group of men to go about rioting. Men need to own their own actions, they're not toddlers we're responsible for. Many of us still have actual children or elderly loved ones we ARE responsible for - THAT's why we're sex realists - fuck off with trying to make us responsible for random men.

And if they really think that words women say can have this impact then they should look at what many of them said directly prior to a group of TRAs trying to kill Posie in NZ. I personally don't think anyone's responsible for that other than those who were there (like the man punching an elderly woman in the head). But the double standards are notable.

Of course, just like TRAs it's always one rule for them and another for everyone else. Hypocrites.

Of those screenshots just put up, I can recognise one name. At least one account looks American (possibly two). And I don't know the others.

@BackToLurk - Labour is reportedly planning what could be a blasphemy law.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/labour-s-definition-of-islamophobia-could-give-oxygen-to-far-right-says-muslim-campaigner/ar-AA1oCv5k

And there's reported infighting over Labour's stance

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13755383/Labour-infighting-breaks-leading-NEC-member-brands-Sir-Keir-Starmers-party-incapable-tackling-racism-Islamophobia-far-right-thuggery-leaves-nation-shock.html

Were we to find ourselves unable to say anything perceived as criticising Islam, progress on "honour" based abuse and FGM would be set right back. Those upholding "honour" based structures would be emboldened. Women and children would be not only much less safe, but some would be murdered.

You can try and deflect and obfuscate as much as you like.

The cold hard facts are that there are a number of Twitter accounts run by GC women which are posting anti-Muslim populist tweets.

There are some direct links up thread.

I fundamentally disagree with the concept of blasphemy laws. Whoever plans to introduce it. We don't however have one atm, and you aren't jailed for 'criticisng allah. You are jailed, in this case, for committing violent disorder & pleading guilty. Possibly in this case the man's previous convictions may also have come into play.

As a follow on, regarding Suleman Maknojioa, The Muslim Women's Network UK was one of the organisations that wrote to the then attorney general to protest about the sentence and call for it to be reviewed. Again, not about 'Muslims', but about women being badly served by the justice system and women protesting about it.

Sorry, reposted because I didn't put the question to the right PP.

@MontagueMoo @Trumpetoftheswan2 - do you know how the letter is supposed to solve the problem?

A screen shot of a variety of people's opinions. None of them racist or anti-Muslim. None of them from KJK.

Is that what you're working with?

Can you explain why you chose that screenshot please.

Why is it so bad to want child rapists in jail?

I don't think the letter claimed to try and solve the problem.

The intent by the signatories to the letter was to distance themselves from what they see as a problematic emerging element in the wider GC 'community' (if 'movement' is too problematic).

They don't claim to solve it. They're saying "not in my name".

I mean, presumably the child that was molested was also Muslim. So is wanting a man who molested a Muslim girl in jail 'racist'?

How is it obfuscating to ask why that tweet is 'Influenced by the Far Right'?

If you don't think those posts are anti-Muslim then there's nothing more I can say. I'm not sure what the relevance of KJK is, but I have more screenshots if you really want.

If you mean Suleman Maknojioa could you maybe explain the relevance of lying about why another man was jailed while raising Maknojioa's case?

I mean you do seem to be showing lots of evidence of Two Tier policing. How is that 'Evidence of the Influence of the Far Right'? The actual Far Left seem to be creating this Two Tier Situation.

Do you think these tweeters don't have their own eyes in their heads?

You're asking the wrong question and, I suspect, deliberately skewing the issue.

It's not wrong to want child rapists in jail.

It is wrong to hold up this example and use it to falsely claim that Muslims get superior treatment to Christians in order to generate anti-Muslim sentiment.

These are just opinions about current news stories and issues. They aren't threats. You can disagree vehemently but they are free speech and this is still a liberal democracy last time I looked.

My understanding is that some people who write/tweet/discuss issues from a GC perspective are aware that a number of other GC aligned people are writing/tweeting/discussing anti-Muslin, populist, far right hate.

Given that there is now a link between the far right and GC issues in the public domain, the signatories of the letter want to make clear that this element is GC doesn't to speak for them. To our clear blue water between themselves and the far right views being promoted by other GC people.

That's all. To make a public declaration of their position in regard to the far right.

Who said anything about threats?

You said there was no anti-Muslim hatred being posted by GC women.

There are numerous instances of this happening, of which I have posted a few which I found with about 5 mins search.

Well, that's just unbelievably self-indulgent. There'll always be people who share our views in some ways whilst being repulsive in others. Writing pompous open letters about it is just tilting at windmills.

Thank you for answering my questions.

Absolutely agree with this.

Dear god. It's all 'show us the evidence' then when people produce receipts 'why are too you posting that?'

Almost as though people are trying to avoid a discussion about the influence of the far right on some elements of GC.

This isn't my tweet or screenshot. I was asking the person why they picked this one, and they failed to explain their reasoning so I guess I'd deal with that once I found out why this was Influence of the Far Right?

Are you saying that the other man also raped a child and was jailed? Or that his crime was investigated and a court found him guilty? Or is he another of the 'pled guilty to shorten the sentence' fast tracked 'sending a message' people that we know have been assumed to be guilty and jailed with zero actual due process? Unlike the guy found guilty of sexual assault on an 11 year old? Who was released. How is it Far Right to want a man who did that to a Muslim girl punished?