Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

'Let's talk about the influence of the 'far right' on people who believe in the existence of two sexes'

OK go for it. Can you define what you think IS 'far right'? And then how it has influenced people who believe in two biological sexes.

Maybe start a brand new thread to do it in?

There is no association between any gender critical views and racism or anti Muslim or populists views. Yaxley- Lennon is irrelevant to the views of GC women except to the extent he can be used to further the cause of GC women.

I think you are totally wrong! It is both a feminist analysis and maybe also liberal western analysis. I suspect I've been engaged in women's issues for far longer than yourself - and I therefore don't feel the need to have any lessons in what consitutes a. 'female centred' analysis.

Of course, though, we live not only as individual women, but also within the context of a wider society and culture. France, for example, bans such overt symbols of religion because its constitution decares that all citizens are equal, and that French society is secular, not religious. What people do in the privacy of their own life is their choice within defined legal contexts; but public facing life demands a set of shared values without which a society can become unstable.

If a woman wants to commit her life to Christ, or to any other religion, then she takes vows and becomes a Nun - whereby she covers her head and secludes herself to some degree or other from society. But in a secular society women are not compelled to wear religious garments or to seclude or separate themselves. Whereas in religious/ Islamic societies those societies declare that all women must effectively be 'nuns', whether they like it, or choose it, or not.

This sort of idea of "freedom of choice" ( about what to wear) , to my mind, is one of the icons of American style consumerist/capitalistic culture - which has no concept of the social and the wider culture - nor ones responsibility to that culture or within it that culture.

I wonder if we'll ever get one of these threads discussing the influence of the far left on GC feminism. There are definitely some people who signed that letter who imo are aligned with ideologies on a par with that of Tommy Robinson but their racism is given a free pass (as are far left protests/counter protests which are described as mostly peaceful despite all evidence to the contrary).

It's the other way round. Yaxley-Lennon's anti-Muslim, populist hate is influencing 'GC' viewpoints.

That's what the letter about. In it's simplest terms, saying 'I'm GC and I want to make it clear that the anti-Muslim, populist hate that is being spewed from some other people who identify as gender critical is nothing to do with me.'

Unlikely. Mostly as the centre right don't do this kind of snide, unevidenced public shaming and monstering. If they see things are - in their view - wrong, they say it like it is (according to them). If in fact they do letters like these then I've never seen one.

And Yaxkey-Lennon is never, ever going to do anything to further women's interests. Suggesting that he may be used to further the GC cause is laughable. Or it would be if it wasn't so depressing that someone could even suggest that.

Go for it. Start a thread of the influence of the far left on feminism.

Seriously and genuinely, this all needs to be discussed.

That is the accusation but it is unfounded. There has been no spewing of rascist or anti Muslim speech from any GC women.
I want to protect the GC movement from those who are spreading these dangerous and libellous falsehoods. It is a shameful sectarian attack on other women.

It's not just that the centre right don't do it, large parts of the left don't do it either.

But yeah, the only recent right wing equivalent I can think of is Nick Griffin (remember him?) going on YouTube to denounce Tommy Robinson as a fraud, whose hostility to Muslims is a distraction from the real enemy, namely the Jews.

Which puts Griffin in a very weird position as regards current left wing thought...

Tommy Robinson has done more to protect women and girls than 99% of the people who signed the statement.

No he's not obviously. However when he can pull together a large demo about two tier policing which directly affects GC women's rights it makes sense to go along and also gives an opportunity to reach women with GC views.

This has no general impact on the GC movement, but is a personal call.

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populist hate ... is being spewed from some ... people who identify as gender critical

Show me? Not from you know who, though. Show me something else?

How? Was it the stalking of a female journalist? Was he really trying to protect her

I'm going to stick my oar in again and be a bit more blunt.

Stephen Ireland, founder of Surrey pride. LGBTQ+ allies would have marched with him or behind him, chanting his slogans.

Please can there be a similar letter for allies to distance themselves from persons accused of paedophilia like him?

I'd be happy to sign that. Most on here would be up for it, I imagine.

Or is this request going to get the silent treatment because you don't want to talk about that?

I am sure the posters signing the GC ‘far right letter’ will be along any minute to say they would be first in the queue to sign a letter denouncing Pride and Surrey Police…

You're late to the party. The accusation that people who are bothered by the far right aren't also bothered about CSA has already been made.

True - and I know which behaviour is more attractive.

The funniest thing about all this is that they're more likely to achieve the opposite of what they want. Authoritarianism, bullying, monstering, purity spirals, all from cushy jobs, none of these are attractive human traits.

Agree with PP that the tactics are very reminiscent of TRAs.

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I don't understand why you are just spewing out screenshots Montague.

Each of those have different back stories and are opinions about situations that have occurred.

Are people not meant to notice the two tier policing that lets men who rape 11 year olds off but jails other men who do shouty words?

Women are allowed to find men letting child rapists off completely abhorrent. It is perfectly reasonable to want child rapists in jail.

It's so inconvenient isn't it, when lies that "it isn't happening" can be refuted so easily.

There's a nasty little thing that they do, when they shun you and then complain if you talk to someone who's not part of their club.

It's very like the purity culture in groups like Jehovah's Witnesses, where sinners are supposed to still come to meetings every week and just meekly sit in the back, waiting for the elders to forgive them.

It’s all over Twitter but they won’t class any of it as anti-Muslim or racist as they agree with it.

You still don't 'get sent to prison' for criticising allah, Alison