Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

So you would rather the people of the far right get into gender ideology?

Or that they would allow their kids to be sucked into it?

Or you just want them to keep quiet about it so you don't feel tainted by agreeing about something?

That's immature childish politics.

I have seen a protest around this that included people of many political and ideological positions. Feminists, lesbians, conservatives, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and I suspect probably fascists too.

I am 100% ok with all those people being there and supporting the idea that schools should not be transitioning children without parental knowledge. It is a good thing - that is how you get real and substantial political change.

I am ok with someone going to all locations, protests, churches, clubs, whatever, to hand out leaflets talking about the issue.

There is no contaminating miasma.

How stupid would someone have to be to believe that if all these groups want to work against this specific idiotic and damaging ideology, it implicates any of them in anything else the others think? If the people who framed this aren't in fact stupid, the question is, what's it really about?

So these not well known names had no concerns at all about people associated with the 'GC' movement promoting and amplifying far right talking points and views and just signed a letter because someone asked them to?

The attempts to pretend it's not true that people associated with the 'GC' movement promoting and amplifying far right talking points and views on this thread are extraordinary. Posters have provided the 'evidence' requested and still people putting their fingers in their ears.

This is simply a chain letter. Just like those letters on Facebook that say variations of “Friends are important, people without friends commit suicide. Prove I have friends by copying and pasting this message” or “people who care for cute fluffy animals will copy and paste this message into their timeline”

Loads of people fall for them too.

Yes. That's why you should give them the whole truth instead of a virtuous sob story to sign up to.

People are allowed to advocate for themselves. That's the basis of evolution.

No, it was timed precisely at a time to ensure that women who attend the next LWS event get arrested and potentially jailed for Far Right Ism.

Putting an target on their backs.

It's not rocket science. These people are not the good guys.

You seem to be suggesting that these scores of ordinary people aren't capable of following debates or understanding what they're reading.

There is so much anti-Muslim, populist, racist hate being promoted by 'GC' accounts/names now that you'd have to be living in an echo chamber (or willfully ignore it) not to see it.

Do you think that people who disagree with you aren't capable of thinking?

So what would be happening at an event for people to get arrested for Far Right ism? And indeed, what is Far Right ism?

Yaxley-Lennon have organised two events with tens of thousands of attendees which people have stressed were very peaceful.

The LWS people won't be threatening to kill minorities or the like, so why would they be arrested?

There are two points.

One is that many are skeptical of accusations that anyone is far right, because the activists left have overplayed that to such an extreme. And particularly that they have continually accused people with concerns about the effects of immigration as being racists.

They basically have 0 credibility on this now, and tbh I think it's almost a kind of reverse credibility - when they say it, many people assume whatever it is must NOT be racist.

It's difficult to express how badly they have fucked up on that.

But the second issue is, many of us DO NOT CARE what other ideas peeople have when discussing mobilization against gender ideology.

They don't care if the people are fascists, or Muslims, or are Richard Dawkins, or anything else - within that context.

In other settings, they might care, or work against some of the political programs of these people.

There are many many areas in which people with disparate and conflicting ideas will get together. Fundraising for a new school playground. Improving access to health services. Planting tulips up and down the street. Getting the town to crack down on public drug taking.

Sure.

But people who are promoting racial identity politics typically are very against the idea that white identity should be a valid category.

They don't seem to consider that if racial identity becomes one of the main areas that people learn constitutes who they are, it won't just be brown people who think that way - it will also be "white British" people.

By pushing racial identities as primary they actually strengthen the sense of "white British" as a discrete identity. As opposed to one that has some historical coherence but is really pretty minor in terms of its importance.

In response, it was the TRAs not the left who called any questioning of gender ideology far right/transphobic/bigoted. Because of this, I can see how the associations between 'GC' and the far right have formed in the public consciousness. This has been cemented by some women's groups welcoming anyone 'who knows what a woman is' and not being willing to eg say that they don't want Nazi's anywhere near their movement.

Secondly, many people DO CARE VERY MUCH who they politically align with. That's okay, isn't it? People having different opinions and ways of doing things?

It doesn't matter does it?

People are being arrested and jailed for just attending a protest. The fact that someone deemed it 'Far Right' is enough. And a letter is proof enough.

This is a very sly attempt to try and get KJK jailed once and for all.

I agree. We've come back to the original 'split' between the Named and Known vs the Anons. It's never gone away. Those Famous feminists from academia who bravely poked their heads over the battlements and then exhorted the rest of us to follow suit. But we couldn't: could not risk our livelihoods, our families' safety and our personal safety in the face of dangerous, violent and litigious TRAs.

The signatories are generally those risk-takers and doxxed women who now rely on their infamy to make a living from commentary / interviews and publishing. More power to them; I've read most of their output and will continue to do so. However, I cannot dox myself and blow up my life in the process by signing a vague letter full of insinuations and guilt by association, which has a snide score-settling tone. Nor will I beat my breast and rattle my anti-racist credentials for an undefined audience in the company of Leftist antisemites. I don't see the utility of it.

Chain letters were never just an irritant, they are also often harmful. Those who write them rely on people falling for them to spread their poison.

Well yes it does. I'm as cynical about the police as anyone, but the arrests made in recent weeks have been at events where people have tried to burn buildings with people inside, gathered to shout hate at minorities, damaged property and so on.

There have been none/very few arrests on the Yaxley-Lennon marches or the Palestine ones that have been going on for weeks now.

There's nothing to suggest that women gathering to speak about their experiences will be policed in the way that (mainly men) gathering to threaten and abuse minorities and damage property has been, esp as the police have generally been pretty shit at actually doing any policing at these events

There's also nothing to suggest that anyone wants KJK arrested. Sure, there's lots of bad feeling between her and some feminists, but trying to get people jailed just isn't what they do.

Qualification - I'm sure there are plenty of TRAs and MRAs who would like KJK and most other women to be arrested and jailed.

I think we've now reached the outer edges of reason. Paranoid thinking abounds, with some people now believing that known leftist women, are somehow in cahoots with a legitimately elected government to arrest, one rather loud activist. That escalated somewhat quickly from, someone wrote a letter.

The CPS are gloating about justice for the 1000 plus people arrested without any actual trials. Or investigation. They are offering such lengthy detentions prior to investigations or even trials that people are pleading guilty just to get their prison terms over and done with.

The UK is utterly fucked. The Far Left are handing the Far Right a gift horse and the backlash is going to be huge.

The signatories are generally those risk-takers and doxxed women who now rely on their infamy to make a living from commentary / interviews and publishing. More power to them; I've read most of their output and will continue to do so. However, I cannot dox myself and blow up my life in the process by signing a vague letter full of insinuations and guilt by association, which has a snide score-settling tone. Nor will I beat my breast and rattle my anti-racist credentials for an undefined audience in the company of Leftist antisemites. I don't see the utility of it.

Yes this is also my position.

So you would not want a person who, say, wanted Sharia law in the UK, to be involved in a campaign to stop your kids school from allowing kids to socially transition without parental knowledge?

Or you wouldn't want a fascist to be involved in a campaign to keep the toilets in your local pool single sex?

You'd just eject them, or not join yourself if they showed up - or maybe tell the local council that even though you want the thing done they shouldn't consider that guys opinion since he is a wrong 'un?

Stop putting words into my mouth. I said that some people do care very much who they politically align with, in response to you saying that some people don't care.

Are you referring to people who were involved in the recent protests (that in some cases devolved into riots) & counter protests?

All the - extensive - coverage I’ve read has been instances where those arrested/tried/imprisoned were either committing violent crimes or inciting them; there’s been incontrovertible evidence of them doing so (hence the speedy convictions); & IIRC they’ve generally entered guilty pleas [sometimes after initially lying then discovering the footage of them existed].

However, I’m very aware I may have missed something or that you may be talking about a different set of protest[or]s so I’d be very grateful if you could supply some more information/specifics. GoogleDuckBing-ing is just turning up the stories I’m familiar with, which to be fair may be because I’m about 97% asleep & thus struggling with wording the search.

If the defendants are not guilty, then they should take their solicitors advice and fight their case.
To paraphrase others, on other issues, you lost, get over it. The tory misrule for the last 14 years is what had allowed the mess to reach boiling point in deprived areas, along with some who have something to gain from causing riots in those deprived areas.
The current government were voted in six weeks ago, with a large majority, those who are unhappy about that will have to exercise their democratic rights and hope that they can change the government at the next General election.

How is it paranoia when a gang of virtuous pious leftsts gathered signatures to mark out one woman, who is incidentally the one activist that actually faces down the violent men and their attack dogs/the police, and position her in the exact same position that the new government is arming themselves up against?

This isn't some imagined slight. This is targeted.

The justice system is fucked. The court backlogs are the worst they've ever been and growing. Prisons are at 99% capacity and there have been emergency measures put in place for several months now, before the general election in fact. The probation service is operating at about a 30% shortfall of staff. The CPS is in chaos.

The last fourteen years of a government intent on cutting the public sector to the bone has created this situation. It's much bigger and predates the recent gathering to attack, abuse and threaten migrants and other minority groups