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Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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hellotowel · 14/08/2024 22:32

https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

Since the horrific murders in Southport on 29 July, the UK has seen an alarming outbreak of far-right violence, with organised gangs targeting mosques and setting fire to asylum hostels. It is clea…

https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right

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timenowplease · 17/08/2024 14:18

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:10

Is this the intellectual level that the conversation has reached?
When you run out off cogent argument bring in deviant sexual practises and suggest that other posters are involved?

I have no idea about your sexual practises but if a poster recognises themselves from the description in my post then I find that quite telling.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:20

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:01

If someone is believed to be recognisable from that description in the letter, even by their own supporters, then I find that quite telling about what people believe they are supporting.

Well, when the people that signed the letter cannot even tell us who they were referencing in said letter, knowing that many of the people that did have had a grudge against one person who cannot be named, then an inference will be made.

It could quite simply be sorted if one of the people proud of signing the letter actually told us who it is they are proud of signing a letter against. I mean, if it is a secret about who you are proud of signing letters against it does rather beg the question, why even bother announcing how proud you are of signing a letter against a mysterious entity that nobody is allowed to know about?

PatatiPatatras · 17/08/2024 14:22

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:11

22 pages filled with posters shouting at people who signed a letter opposing racism.

Your summary is a half truth. Lying to internet strangers is one thing. Try not to lie to yourself at least.

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:22

timenowplease · 17/08/2024 14:18

I have no idea about your sexual practises but if a poster recognises themselves from the description in my post then I find that quite telling.

I hate to state the obvious, but you stated that people believing and posting something on this thread, were the equivalent of etc. etc.
Not what others had done, however I think it demonstrates your level of understanding.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:23

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:11

22 pages filled with posters shouting at people who signed a letter opposing racism.

Aah perhaps you could ask my earlier question.

Is being completely and utterly 100% against an ideology that promotes chucking gay men off tall buildings far right or indeed, racist?

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:24

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:23

Aah perhaps you could ask my earlier question.

Is being completely and utterly 100% against an ideology that promotes chucking gay men off tall buildings far right or indeed, racist?

Do you presume that all followers of Islam are all of the same opinion, with regards to this behaviour?

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:24

PatatiPatatras · 17/08/2024 14:22

Your summary is a half truth. Lying to internet strangers is one thing. Try not to lie to yourself at least.

23 pages filled with posters shouting at people who signed a letter opposing racism, and being angry at people who want to set their own boundaries. Even when the people setting their own boundaries are clear that they aren’t telling other people where their boundaries should be.

Better?

Retiredfromthere · 17/08/2024 14:25

This has just been posted on the 'Melbourne - women's rights rally disrupted by trans rights activists thread'. Thank you @ArabellaScott It does not look to me as though the women trying to speak in this example are practicing far right hate speech. I would say the same of Let Women Speak UK rallies also. But I suppose it easy to call anyone you disagree with a far right extremist as these TRAs do?

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/naarm-melbourne-trans-liberation-counter-protest-against-far-right

Naarm/Melbourne: Trans Liberation counter-protest against the far-right

Counter-protest against transphobic far-right hate speech at Parliament on Saturday 17 August

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/naarm-melbourne-trans-liberation-counter-protest-against-far-right

Wenzles · 17/08/2024 14:25

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 17/08/2024 13:11

This is a joke right?

Are people really taking this pathetic reverse ferret seriously?

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:25

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:24

Do you presume that all followers of Islam are all of the same opinion, with regards to this behaviour?

You know what the word 'ideology' means?

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:26

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:23

Aah perhaps you could ask my earlier question.

Is being completely and utterly 100% against an ideology that promotes chucking gay men off tall buildings far right or indeed, racist?

If you’re clear what ideology you mean. Come now. Don’t be coy. You’re very much for other people saying precisely what or who they’re referring to.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:28

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:26

If you’re clear what ideology you mean. Come now. Don’t be coy. You’re very much for other people saying precisely what or who they’re referring to.

Any ideology. Pick one.

Dumbo12 · 17/08/2024 14:28

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:25

You know what the word 'ideology' means?

Indeed I do, but there seems to be some confusion and possible deliberate obfuscation. I don't think that Ideology was the main thrust of the Tommy Robinson rally, or was mentioned in the letter?

Ineverlose · 17/08/2024 14:35

Yes @Wenzles from the comments below the tweet, they do appear to be taking it seriously

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 17/08/2024 14:36

Oh right, ok! Sos! I get it now.

We all need to turn on a few women who other people don’t like, because if we don’t establish clear bye water between them and us, suddenly everyone is going to believe it’s ok to sterilise and ultimate children, and have men (including the rapey kind) in women’s sports, toilets and prisons.

I wish they’d said that more clearly in the letter. I might have been stupid enough to sign it if they had.

As it is, I’ll refrain from targeting the spiteful letter writers and just get on with my day as a gender realist who is starting to think she’s not supposed to call herself feminist because she’s not sufficiently opposed to the opinions of some other women.

Because that’s what the ‘feminist’ letter writers seem to be saying. Line up with us or you are no true feminist.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:41

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:28

Any ideology. Pick one.

I think the only people who would think that is racist to say you were completely and utterly 100% against an ideology that promotes chucking gay men off tall building, would be someone who consciously or unconsciously thought that was an ideology inherent to and approved of by all members of one race. I certainly wouldn’t consider it to be racist. I presume here we’re talking about extreme theocratic regimes.

Your go. Is it racist to consider only white British people to be ‘our women and girls’?

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:54

I have an additional question for@AlisonDonut (or anyone else) is Tommy Robinson far right?

Wenzles · 17/08/2024 14:55

Ineverlose · 17/08/2024 14:35

Yes @Wenzles from the comments below the tweet, they do appear to be taking it seriously

Edited

They're just playing along, surely?

I thought it was a parody.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:57

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:41

I think the only people who would think that is racist to say you were completely and utterly 100% against an ideology that promotes chucking gay men off tall building, would be someone who consciously or unconsciously thought that was an ideology inherent to and approved of by all members of one race. I certainly wouldn’t consider it to be racist. I presume here we’re talking about extreme theocratic regimes.

Your go. Is it racist to consider only white British people to be ‘our women and girls’?

I asked the question because I was accused earlier on of 'redefining the Far Right'.

If you don't like what a single woman says, then don't read it. Block her. But singling her out, when she is already vulnerable and has been relentlessly attacked and threatened by men is utterly disgraceful. People maybe need to stop for a single minute and think about why people say what they say, and accept that they might have a different viewpoint than themselves.

Why is it only the 'White British' people that are not allowed to have any concerns about their own demographic? Why must they always worry about everyone else, but not themselves?

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:58

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 14:54

I have an additional question for@AlisonDonut (or anyone else) is Tommy Robinson far right?

What IS far-right exactly?

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 15:00

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:58

What IS far-right exactly?

You can define that yourself if you answer the question. “Yes he is because…”. Or “no he isn’t because…”

Cycleorrun · 17/08/2024 15:01

WandsOut · 17/08/2024 10:13

There isn't a GC movement. It's just people who believe in material reality.
It's like calling people who know the Earth is round a movement.

That's what I was thinking. But dipping in to some of the posts I was beginning to wonder. Why give the oxygen of publicity to people making awful comments on social media when you have no links to them? Makes no sense.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 15:03

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 14:57

I asked the question because I was accused earlier on of 'redefining the Far Right'.

If you don't like what a single woman says, then don't read it. Block her. But singling her out, when she is already vulnerable and has been relentlessly attacked and threatened by men is utterly disgraceful. People maybe need to stop for a single minute and think about why people say what they say, and accept that they might have a different viewpoint than themselves.

Why is it only the 'White British' people that are not allowed to have any concerns about their own demographic? Why must they always worry about everyone else, but not themselves?

I’m not sure you answered the question. Which is quite rude as I answered yours. Even if it was a bit weird to suggest anyone thought criticising theocracies is in itself racist. Again, for someone who seems to demand an awful lot of ‘be clear who you mean’ from others you do a fair bit of tiptoeing around what you’re actually trying to say.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 17/08/2024 15:04

TinselAngel · 15/08/2024 14:46

So we can give leaflets to people who disagree with us but only within certain limits?

You’re in favour of leafleting at Tommy Robinson protests? Ie bringing that group of people on board with the GC movement?

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2024 15:07

BackToLurk · 17/08/2024 15:00

You can define that yourself if you answer the question. “Yes he is because…”. Or “no he isn’t because…”

You assume I have any knowledge of this man. I know literally nothing about him. Or indeed about what the latest definition of 'far-right' even is. From what I can gather, the Far Right is anyone who doesn't do what the Far Left do.

So to start, lets go with 'what do you mean when you say 'far-right'?

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