Imane Khelif

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Just reading the thread on here for the first time. What I fail to understand is why so many contributors are so desperate for her to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a woman. Beggars belief.

boxing is not an act of violence? Tell that to Micheal Watson (you do the maths)

The PCOS argument is so hilariously stupid. Like, literally just think about what the "O" stands for, and there's the reason why any woman afflicted with PCOS is very obviously female, not male.

This is a quote from that interview:

"After the 2023 Championship, when she was disqualified, I took the initiative and contacted a renowned endocrinologist at the University Hospital Kremlin-Bicêtre in Paris, who examined her. He confirmed that Imane was indeed a woman, despite of her karyotype and her testosterone levels. "

That quote demonstrates that whole obfuscation.

If 'woman' has nothing to do with biology, then it is just a meaningless word. I know that some would like to untether 'female' from biology too, however, I think it says something that the endocrinologist (who hopefully has a grip on biological reality, given their job) did not use 'female.'

And virtue-signalling.

And if you read further it said that those testosterone levels needed to be reduced.

Female people do not need to suppress their testosterone levels. No female person has to reduce their testosterone levels to play sport.

here you go

“He confirmed that Imane was indeed a woman, despite of her karyotype and her testosterone levels. He said : “There is a problem with her hormones, and with her chromosomes, but she's a woman.” That was all that mattered to us. We then worked with an Algeria-based doctor to control and regulate Imane's testosterone levels, which are currently in the female range. Some tests clearly show that all her muscle qualities and others have diminished since then.”

Oh, PLOP!
There’s a surprise. Shocked, shocked I tell ye.

Loads of people on this thread are reportedly relying on evidence from the tests of experts.

This is a testimony saying that a renowned endocrinologist confirmed Imane is a woman.

They are clearly not going on social experience to determine their affirmation of what a woman is, they have been called upon for their expertise in endocrinology, not for their knowledge of Imane's passport details or how she was brought up as a child.

No naked flames please! High gas alert!
Hot air posters trained on any and all misinformation which could make those heart strings tug are spraying randomly in case anything sticks.

Well done to those patient enough to clear the air yet again.

The rest of that quote.

“He confirmed that Imane was indeed a woman, despite of her karyotype and her testosterone levels. He said : “There is a problem with her hormones, and with her chromosomes, but she's a woman.” That was all that mattered to us. We then worked with an Algeria-based doctor to control and regulate Imane's testosterone levels, which are currently in the female range. Some tests clearly show that all her muscle qualities and others have diminished since then.”

No female needs to reduce their testosterone levels to ‘female levels’.

There's apparently a renowned endocrinologist happy to state that Imane is a woman.

Why do you think you know better than them?

Especially since he apparently doesn't read English, according to claims about why he signed the tests showing he's male.

The endocrinologist is using "woman" in the same way you do - to mean identity, not sex.

What is your evidence that IK is of the female sex?

Funny to imagine that he's sitting there scrolling through Mumsnet seething at all of us discussing his chromosomal calamity. Someone close to him better log his account out before he gets reminded he's male again.

“He confirmed that Imane was indeed a woman, despite of her karyotype and her testosterone levels. He said : “There is a problem with her hormones, and with her chromosomes, but she's a woman.” That was all that mattered to us. We then worked with an Algeria-based doctor to control and regulate Imane's testosterone levels, which are currently in the female range. Some tests clearly show that all her muscle qualities and others have diminished since then.”

What female person has to reduce their testosterone to ‘female levels’? The endocrinologist said ‘woman’. The endocrinologist did not say female.

Answer the question. What female people have to lower their testosterone to box in the female boxing category?

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Did they categorically state that this person has XX chromosomes?

And PLENTY of doctors have been captured by ideology to the extent that they will say so and so "is a woman".
It doesn't necessarily make it a fact biologically.

But that's silly.

They have gone to a renowned endocrinologist to comment on the biology of the situation, not to espouse upon the socio-political definition of what a woman may be.

The endocrinologist will be commenting on their realm of expertise, which will be the biology.

Called it. OP has not posted again.

Well, hold on, which way do you want it?

Because there seems to be plenty of people on this thread happy to believe the tests of the IBA, despite these being widely discredited for multiple reasons elsewhere.

If you want to discredit this expert you can easily see how the the other tests can be discredited as well, can't you?

Then they would have also categorically stated that this person is a woman by virtue of what defines a woman, which is XX chromosomes.
Knowing that this whole debate relies on chromosomes, and could be silenced in one second by revealing such information.
They chose not to.
I wonder why.

Khelif's coach stated the following:

“He confirmed that Imane was indeed a woman, despite of her karyotype and her testosterone levels."

What do you understand to be the meaning of the "despite" in this sentence?

Well that is speculation, they may indeed hold this information, we don't know.

Yeah that's what they tried to claim with Caster Semenya.

Don't you think if they DID, they would release it immediately to quell the rumours and speculation?
Why wouldn't the athlete themselves want to crush those silly rumours dead in the water by sticking it right to everyone who dared to say they had XY chromosomes?
It doesn't add up.
They can't release that fact, because they simply don't have it.