Imane Khelif

[LHayday]

Just reading the thread on here for the first time. What I fail to understand is why so many contributors are so desperate for her to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a woman. Beggars belief.

At Monday's media event Roberts said Khelif and Lin were first tested at the 2022 World Championships in Istanbul, Turkey but no action was taken as the results were "inconclusive".

https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o

@LHayday . I’d say the women he was pitted against would have been desperate for him to be a woman. Desperate to have fair and safe competition. Instead the IOC seems to have had the women as sport for male participants and spectators. There is a reason sports (and certainly combat sports) are separated by sex and sometimes by weight. Even if the participants wear earrings, necklaces or make-up.

Someone once said ‘it’s the economy, stupid’. To paraphrase; ‘It’s the biology, stupid’. I’m not calling anyone stupid, just using the phrase. Although as being gullible to this anti-science movement, many people have surprisingly become rather stupid. Men who you discover don’t understand rights, or women’s rights due to struggles because of our sex class. I’d say many of these bros are pretending as they won’t be the ‘game’. Maybe they find it amusing, or ‘exciting’ to see women treated so badly. Certainly women who cheerlead the entitlement of men to abuse and discriminate against women strike me as such. But I don’t think women are lesser or our sex class should be abused, insulted or injured and generally discriminated against.

Part of the issue here (and potential corruption angle) is that the IBA hasn't been doing consistent sex testing for everyone, and that they didn't have rules in place until very recently. It seems that these two were targetted after issues raised by other competititors.

At Monday's media event Roberts said Khelif and Lin were first tested at the 2022 World Championships in Istanbul, Turkey but no action was taken as the results were "inconclusive".

So not female then.

"Inconclusive" would cover an initial XY chromosome screening without information about which specific DSD.

46XY would be "inconclusive" under World Athletics rules, until they figured out if it was 5-ARD or PAIS etc - or just normal male (ineligible), or CAIS/Swyers etc (eligible).

I don't know if IBA is applying the same rules as athletics, but it would make sense.

I believe the first tests showed XY chromosomes and presume that second tests also checked for the sry gene. XY results with no check of SRY could have meant CAIS

But you're just speculating here.

Previously you implied that replicability of tests was important and gives credibility.

Well clearly the IBA have retested and did not replicate the same results they achieved previously. Which suggests something is problematic in their protocols and testeing

At least I'm speculating in a way that fits the evidence, and just common sense.

You seem to think that "inconclusive" tests should be replicable, and repeated inconclusive results give credibility? And any procedure that gets a conclusive result after an inconclusive one is problematic?

I suggest you never go to a doctor for anything - you'd hate it.

The IBA did not simply replicate the tests and get different results. They carried out additional tests to obtain additional information

And of course the way to stop the speculation would be for the IOC or Khelif to show their own conclusive results. That would mean we had a clear conflict, and it would show that the IBA or the IOC was lying. We could get CAS to arbitrate...

The amount of hate this poor woman is getting is horrible. None of us know what chromosomes she has. No evidence has been presented. There is only the word of the IBA president Umar Kremlev (I would recommend a read of his wikipedia page).

IOC has confirmed that it is a DSD issue for both Khelif and Lin. If they both had XX chromosomes why would the IOC say this.
Khelif's own team has said there is a chromosome problem and that they were reducing Khelif's testosterone. Only a male would need to reduce testosterone levels

This is EXACTLY what was said with the Caster Semenya saga.
EXACTLY.

And we all know what happened next.

Semanya appealed.

The independent tribunal not only upheld the original test results but, as is their right, published the test results in their entirety proving once and for all that Semanya’s particular DSD is one that only occurs in genetic males.

Makes you wonder why the Paris athletes chose not to challenge the tests with an appeal.

Makes you wonder why the Paris athletes chose not to challenge the tests with an appeal.

Or in Khelif's case, lodged an appeal and then withdrew it

It is not transphobic to say that someone who is a genetic male should not be competing as a woman in any sport, let alone one which could seriously endanger the health and possibly the life of a female opponent.

And incidentally, neither boxer is claiming that they are transwomen, because this would mean that they acknowledge that they are men. They are saying that they are women.

Do you have a source for this? X

Hopefully, the lawsuit will also provide some evidence re the sex of this person.

There will be links to the IOC statement and Khelif's team statements in one of the many boxing related threads on this board

Laura Woods reveals she's had sick death threats to her unborn child after questioning Olympic gender scandal boxer Imane Khelif's run to gold in Paris | Daily Mail Online

It's been posted on this thread. Read the full thread for an answer to your question @rmc2001 .

Is Umar a naughty boy?

I see we are cycling around again.

The never ending loop.

"Winston, how many fingers am I holding up"
"One"

Has that answer been triple certified by the appropriate agency, Red?

"Are you sure about that Winston"
"Of course I'm sure, thats what I was told to say"
"Have you tried looking with your eyes Winston"
"Do you think I'd say differently? The man who told me what to say was a well respected man in a suit with lots of letters after his name"
"But is that what you are actually seeing? With your own eyes and with your own knowledge? Do you think the man might have had an agenda"
"Why would the nice man have an agenda? He's a professional in a well respected field. And my optitician is a bad man who lies."