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Thread 3: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 11:25

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annejumps · 09/08/2024 22:53

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2024 22:51

ArabellaScott · Today 22:20

BBC viewers are not as supportive as commentators.

I've looked at the article, but can't see any comments. What am I doing wrong?

I believe the poster was referring to the downvotes.

Igneococcus · 09/08/2024 22:58

I can't see any votes on the article at all.

user1471538275 · 09/08/2024 22:58

I'm so angry.

Boxing is a tough sport. It's dangerous and it's not a particularly 'naice' middle class sort of sport - it has a real variety of women participating, who have to put up with quite a lot of negative comments about why they would want to hit people.

The most basic thing you can ask of someone organising a boxing match is that safety is considered and prioritised.

But no, for the IOC ideology is so much more important.

OvaHere · 09/08/2024 22:59

Olderbadger1 · 09/08/2024 22:45

I think, as with the years of doping, countries are far more likely to gone the system and include males in their teams / events whenever they can get away with it. The IOC is disgusting and utterly corrupt but so are states when it comes to national prestige.

I watched this the other day. It's about doping going back many decades and highlights how much the IOC have ignored until they couldn't anymore.

I think this is exactly what other countries are weighing up. I think GB has a lot to lose here because were we to field a male boxer/athlete on one of our teams the public in this country would not turn a blind eye as much as some others.

We've also lead the way in putting a stop to males in female sport locally across a lot of sports so it's less likely a British Khelif would get to the Olympics now. That puts us at a distinct disadvantage if it becomes widespread practice by other countries.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 09/08/2024 23:02

Igneococcus · 09/08/2024 22:58

I can't see any votes on the article at all.

Votes are on the live updates feed

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/live/c0dmgdlkn7jt?post=asset%3A84026759-2957-4331-a4bd-fc83613393cd#post

Plasmodesmata · 09/08/2024 23:02

I'd imagine that China are considering the long game rather than wanting to protest this one loss.
If boxing makes it to the 2028 games it's going to have more than two XY boxers in the women's category.

annejumps · 09/08/2024 23:03

OvaHere · 09/08/2024 22:59

I watched this the other day. It's about doping going back many decades and highlights how much the IOC have ignored until they couldn't anymore.

I think this is exactly what other countries are weighing up. I think GB has a lot to lose here because were we to field a male boxer/athlete on one of our teams the public in this country would not turn a blind eye as much as some others.

We've also lead the way in putting a stop to males in female sport locally across a lot of sports so it's less likely a British Khelif would get to the Olympics now. That puts us at a distinct disadvantage if it becomes widespread practice by other countries.

As someone else said, it's an arms race. As long as there are enough "easy picking" women in whatever field to "fight" against, and they're not just fighting other men, it'll keep happening.

Igneococcus · 09/08/2024 23:03

Oh, I was looking at the article. Thanks @BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator found them now.

puffyisgood · 09/08/2024 23:08

Plasmodesmata · 09/08/2024 23:02

I'd imagine that China are considering the long game rather than wanting to protest this one loss.
If boxing makes it to the 2028 games it's going to have more than two XY boxers in the women's category.

a halfway sane new IOC president would put an end to it across the board.

Seb Coe would like the job for sure and would change the rule overnight.

but...

https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/6/14/holy-hell-thomas-bach-is-really-out-to-get-seb-coe

Holy hell, but Thomas Bach is really out to get Seb Coe | 3 Wire Sports

Holy hell, but Thomas Bach really is out to get Seb Coe. Anywhere and everywhere you go in Olympic circles these days, it’s the talk, and what transpired Friday – calling 911, Bach all but sticking a figurative knife into Coe in broad daylight, anoint...

https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/6/14/holy-hell-thomas-bach-is-really-out-to-get-seb-coe

annejumps · 09/08/2024 23:10

I would love for there to be a single explainer article in some neutralish publication written by a trustworthy person who can patiently and kindly explain that yes, Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone and Katie Ledecky set records—and they wouldn't get anywhere close to the Olympics competing against men. Yes, there's boysvswomen . com and Ross Tucker and Dr. Emma Hilton, but.... Something like Coach Blade's book would be seen as an anti-trans polemic, I'm afraid.

DrBlackbird · 09/08/2024 23:13

ArabellaScott · 09/08/2024 22:43

The IOC has just stated clearly that they can't tell the difference between men and women, and indeed there is no earthly way to do so.

All Olympic sports are therefore mixed sex.

Can’t tell the difference. The Olympic committee.

I think the only way to describe it is that they are all fuckers.

Vespanest · 09/08/2024 23:15

If the rules are not going to be changed or no governing body found I actually think it’s best to lose the boxing in four years. Seeing the adulation that Khelif is getting then there is going to be an influx and watching a women being punched by a man to cheers is something I do not want repeating in four years.the Olympics are not safe for female athletes. The worst part is boxing is very important to the poorer nations. Before the Khelif fight there was a boxer who had changed nationality because Cuba was to competitive. He was now living in another country from his daughter and sending money home.

puffyisgood · 09/08/2024 23:15

NotBadConsidering · 09/08/2024 22:28

Would any Muslim woman sit astride the neck of a man like Khelif did on his coach’s shoulders?

that's trolling imo. like caster semenya, for his book, deliberately picking out the beach photo of him as a muscular 15 year old youth clad in just a pair of baggy swimming shorts. it's a big two fingered 'you can't touch me' signal.

annejumps · 09/08/2024 23:18

Vespanest · 09/08/2024 23:15

If the rules are not going to be changed or no governing body found I actually think it’s best to lose the boxing in four years. Seeing the adulation that Khelif is getting then there is going to be an influx and watching a women being punched by a man to cheers is something I do not want repeating in four years.the Olympics are not safe for female athletes. The worst part is boxing is very important to the poorer nations. Before the Khelif fight there was a boxer who had changed nationality because Cuba was to competitive. He was now living in another country from his daughter and sending money home.

Yes. It really sucks for the women boxers who would want to box at the Olympics (since the women's sport has only been there since 2012) but it either needs to formally end or all the competitors should be men.

ArabellaScott · 09/08/2024 23:20

DrBlackbird · 09/08/2024 23:13

Can’t tell the difference. The Olympic committee.

I think the only way to describe it is that they are all fuckers.

Here are all the Olympic presidents.

Thread 3: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
ArabellaScott · 09/08/2024 23:20

You can be any sex you like, so long as it's male.

ArabellaScott · 09/08/2024 23:22

Igneococcus · 09/08/2024 22:58

I can't see any votes on the article at all.

It was on the live feed.

user1471538275 · 09/08/2024 23:25

@Vespanest So where does it end, do we lose women's sport, one at a time?

We do seem to be going backwards in many ways at the moment for women's rights.

FrippEnos · 09/08/2024 23:39

It will be interesting to see if these Olympics can become anymore farcical.

Vespanest · 09/08/2024 23:43

user1471538275 · 09/08/2024 23:25

@Vespanest So where does it end, do we lose women's sport, one at a time?

We do seem to be going backwards in many ways at the moment for women's rights.

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Boxing is brutal, the biggest saving grace is khelif and Lin are pretty shit boxers. The consequences of boxing is not replicated in many other sports.

Omlettes · 09/08/2024 23:47

£8billion roughly for this Olympics.
Millions coming from American sponsors to IOC,
in the case of Coca Cola, billions.
Money money money

nauticant · 09/08/2024 23:52

Plasmodesmata · 09/08/2024 23:02

I'd imagine that China are considering the long game rather than wanting to protest this one loss.
If boxing makes it to the 2028 games it's going to have more than two XY boxers in the women's category.

Those games will be in Los Angeles. Whether the president is Trump or Harris in 2028 could well be significant.

annejumps · 09/08/2024 23:58

user1471538275 · 09/08/2024 23:25

@Vespanest So where does it end, do we lose women's sport, one at a time?

We do seem to be going backwards in many ways at the moment for women's rights.

Edited

In the bigger picture I think a big factor in why we're going backward is that for, say, people under 40, if not 50, the way things have been most of our lives have been in place long enough (at least in the US) that we take our current situation totally for granted and have been able to ignore what a role the limits of female biology can play IF we're not protected by law. That is, being age 45 it never occurred to me, for most of my life, that we'd ever really lose Roe v. Wade (again, speaking as an American), or that people would be claiming moral righteousness in giving women's resources and private spaces to men, and I think with the latter, people my age and younger having never really experienced a time when women truly did not have guaranteed female-only spaces, they don't see the need for them, if that even makes sense. We don't have the cultural memory the Boomers have of times when women couldn't have their own credit cards, there were no birth control pills, women were required to wear skirts, etc. etc. It's incredibly tiring to think about but we may need to experience actual, material, consequences all over again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2024 00:00

that's trolling imo. like caster semenya, for his book, deliberately picking out the beach photo of him as a muscular 15 year old youth clad in just a pair of baggy swimming shorts. it's a big two fingered 'you can't touch me' signal.

Agree, like the Algerian Olympic Committee video I posted earlier in the thread.

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YogaForDummies · 10/08/2024 00:03

What's all this XY nonsense? The word is 'male'. The boxer is male, clearly, and has no place in female sport.

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