Transgender civil servant in 'fetish gear' at work

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Why do these AGPs always have to rub peoples faces in it? Its like a continuous f u to anyone elses boundaries

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13706357/Government-department-embroiled-row-fetish-gear-civil-servants-complain-transgender-colleagues-workwear.html

pronoun 'ya dirty eejit'

I know that isn't a pronoun btw

He looks like Savile. 🤮

It's always about pushing boundaries, isn't it? No one in their right mind thinks fetish gear is appropriate at work, especially in the civil service service. It's not about expressing true self or whatever gumpf is being used as an excuse. It's about making women uncomfortable and knowing they don't have the power to object. Fed up with this stuff.

It's about using non-consenting people for titillation.

This is so unhelpful to trans people who just want to go about their lives unnoticed.

What it is highlighting is that for some people, being trans isn't about wanting to be accepted and treated more or less as though they were a member of the opposite sex, but there is a fetish aspect to it. And also that in many workplaces, if you are trans, the rules and standards of behaviour that apply to everyone else don't apply to you.

All that is necessary here is for this person's line manager to take them to one side, and without even mentioning the word "trans", say, "The clothes you are wearing are against the staff dress code. Please wear more appropriate clothes to work from now on."

When I was working if I had gone to work looking like that I would have been sent home. There must be a dress code, if not they need one pronto. Business casual I would say, however I suppose it's a case of what business he's in.

It's about power isn't it? Generally white men who claim that they are vulnerable and therefore if you criticise them you're a transphobe and a bigot. It's a way of playing the vulnerable victim in order to wield more power over women. And use them as unwilling props in their sexual fetishes.

So the staff have got together and written a letter of complaint about this person? Brave move, well done.

Is it fetish gear?

fishnet tights, low-cut black corsets, high heels and a gothic choker

i sometimes wear fishnet (micronet) tights to work. Plenty of employees wear heels. I agree the corset sounds dodgy but unless I saw the specific item it’s hard to say, one persons corset is another persons low cut top and while probably not overly professional may not be bondage wear. In the article there’s a photo of the chocker, it’s black lace……it’s a bit 1990s teen girl fashion wear but i wouldn’t say bondage. 🤷‍♀️

The main issue for me would be that colleagues are feeling like they have to pretend he’s a woman and feel they’re being silenced . I’d be focusing on that. Colleagues quibbling over dress code gives him ammunition for claiming transphobia. So unless something is expressly forbidden in the dress code it’s hard to pull someone up. Wishy washy dress codes of professional attire are hard to enforce.

Caveat, I have no dress code and dress very casually at work. No idea how strict the civil service are. If it’s normally strict he shouldn’t be given special treatment and it should be enforced equally. But focus on it being “non professional” rather than bondage.

I’ve never seen a corset or a choker in the office 🙄

Someone at work frequently wears something like this but she is a goth. I wouldn’t say it’s fetish wear 🤷‍♀️

It's just desperate attention seeking behaviour. Pure and simple! Look at me!!!!! He's obviously got a screw loose, personality disorder at best. Everyone else has to dress appropriately at work, imagine if all the rest for the staff staged a protest and came to work dressed in fetish gear?!

And the corset?

Oh FFS 🤦‍♀️ @DeanElderberry is right, he's co-opting others into his fetish. No, that doesn't belong in the workplace

Corset is never acceptable st work
High heels ok
Choker..depends
Fish nets are fancy dress

the combination of all worn together is definitely not appropriate for s job at the DWP

It's almost always men doing this. Men with the fetish we don't seem to be allowed to name on this site, for some reason. The mid-life "transitioners" who get sexual thrills from forcing their fetishes on unconsenting audiences, usually women. It's a sick power play, male domination all the way.

I did say it sounds dodgy but without seeing it hard to know. If they’re exaggerating a lace choker into fetish wear are they exaggerating a top into a corset? They might not be but when you start complaining about someone at work wearing high heels it makes it hard to believe everything else.

the two tops below, I’d happily wear one to work. The other would be inappropriate. Is he wearing something like the one with straps?

More on him

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/06/04/saorsa-amatheia-tweedale/

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Does he have two jobs? x.com/bradcollplus/status/1357302714997346305?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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Whether or not we call it fetish gear, the combination of all four of these items makes the whole outfit unsuitable workwear.

Unless one is working in a brothel.

I promise promise this is not a women do it as often post because I’m sure they don’t. I’m very aware of the way men push sexual boundaries in public and they can absolutely fuck off.

So having said my disclaimer! We had this at work with a woman (I worked in legal there at the time so was privy to the detail).

It was really hard to handle because there wasn’t really a decency issue she was reasonably covered up (or at least as much as lots of other young women in the office) but her outfits were sort of “coded” as overtly sexy/ sort of burlesque. So patent high heels, fish nets with seams up the back, corsets, chockers, short skirts, very heavy 1950s film star type make up. Nothing that actually broke the dress code other than arguably the catch all “dress appropriately”.

When her manager spoke to her she was very ready and pointed out that x employee wore heels also and y employee wore v necks showing as much cleavage as her corsets did. In the end the (female) manger just told her to please tone it down a bit which she ignored. Nothing more was done about it and she left not long after anyway.

I think what I’m saying is that if someone decides to ignore what most people consider the “proper” way to dress it can be quite hard to deal with from an employers stand point. Add in the fear of the employee being able to argue they wouldn’t being policed if they weren’t trans and it’s a minefield.

Basically a lot of the time we are relying (in society) on people not taking the piss!

The civil service...

@CormorantStrikesBack you can see in the picture that whatever it is strapless (if that picture shows the work outfit). Which I think most people wouldn't consider workwear, regardless of whether it was a corset or not, and whatever the sex of the person wearing it.

The question is always "would a woman get away with wearing the same in that workplace"?

The answer is no.

Why is a man making up job roles, wearing clothes to get attention and then going on about whether children should have puberty blockers?

Remember that children legitimise adult fetishes. But why go to such lengths to mislead others by claiming you have a role you don't?

It's almost as if the truth doesn't matter as long as the whole universe revolves around you and what you want.

It certainly does not lend itself to giving you credibility when you are a known liar.

Of course it's about power. How can it not be about power? Liars are always about power. Name a situation where you tell a lie that big, which ISN'T about power and control.

This turned up on CS Reddit. I gave up reading when all the anti GC comments started. Not unexpected.

www.reddit.com/r/TheCivilService/comments/1eewl2k/which_one_of_you_wants_to_wear_a_gimp_suit_to_the/