Anti GC online abuse

[NotNowFGS]

I rose to it today. Couldn't help myself. Challenged a couple of folk on Twitter who were responding positively to my batshit TRA MPs statement on Twitter about the Olympic boxing business. I'm always polite. I ask questions and challenge gently here and there, but good god they always get abusive. I never learn.

Can't quote your comment above about transphobia hurting all women but I wanted to say no, what hurts all women is the notion that men who think they are women (and that is their own opinion/delusion) occupying female spaces literally and otherwise. I am really sorry to say this but any woman who doesn't see that elevating "gender" above sex is not only dumb in the style of turkeys voting for Christmas but is complicit in the harm being done to women and girls. Bottom line what does a man know about what it is to be a woman? Nothing. Let's not change the world on the basis of what a few men think they feel.

The irony is that if she does have a male DSD she wasn't born female at all but assigned female at birth. This wouldn't have been obvious - she may have appeared female but by puberty it would be beyond doubt that she was not.

I don't support what JKR and others said although I do agree that Khelif and the other boxer should not be competing.

But there is something deeply unsettling and unsavoury about a male albeit one raised as a female punching a woman on live tv as sport. It's wrong @Christinapple and hearing people attempt to justify it for any reason is wrong.

Anyone with a brain on either side of the trans debate should be calling for the IOC to get a hold of this issue and put a stop to men competing with women in boxing. But those welded to the gender woo woo won't do this because they know that starting with boxing the whole house of cards will fall. So instead they double down and call the terfs mean and nasty names rather than admit they are wrong. Can you hear my blood boiling

Its only defamatory if it's not true.

I highly doubt Khelif will be suing anyone.

The IOC want this, so they won't put a stop to it. Men in women's boxing is a feature, not a bug.

Nonetheless, a refusal to acknowledge open truths was behind Liberace's successful libel action. I've no idea if the law has moved on in all jurisdictions since then…

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/jun/12/daily-mirror-liberace

Are memes allowed here?

What hate? No one here has said they hate this boxer.

And you have clearly missed the long running thread here about that unpleasant specimen of a beach volleyball player.

Also Khelif isn't a biological woman, but that's by the by. But that is bizarrely and irrelevantly shoehorned in there as if a biological woman would never be hated. Try Rose West.

So firstly, whether they are a "biological woman" is exactly the thing in dispute.

Secondly, the "why aren't you making a fuss about this other thing" approach, I probably wouldn't say it's always wrong to use that, but it's hardly a strong line of argument when it's (a) a change of subject, and (b) appears to function as an ad hom attack on the motivation of the person; but questionable motivations or inconsistency (even when real) don't show claims or arguments to be wrong in any straightforward easy way.

Plus we actually ARE "making a fuss" about the other thing.

Yeah it’s really weird my sjw Dutch friend has said NOTHING about his fellow country man raping a child. Go bros!*

Maybe ask why there’s so few men on SM criticising a rapist but so many angry at women atheletes.

Maybe pop over the rapist thread, Chris I’m sure we’re all clamouring for your input 🙄

*clearly I’m not meaning Matt, Luke and Ken here.

Where did i say you weren’t allowed your opinion?

i asked were you ever ashamed of your posts, i have seen many posts in here that i disagree with but those posters aren’t unnecessarily mean

You don’t appear to be on the dutch rapist thread…

If anyone wants to take action on Van de Velde, you can still write to the

NOCNSF.

https://nocnsf.nl/

It may be worth also writing to the Dutch government, and/or the tourist board, to express how you feel about that country putting a child rapist forward for the Olympics.

https://www.holland.com/global/tourism

https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/web/united-kingdom/about-us/contact-embassy-london

If you would prefer to just use some shitty meme to try and sneer at women, rather than actually doing something to help, then in my view you are dishonouring the victim of this horrible crime, and I will not share what I think of that course of action.

Just googled the definition of transgender and the first one to come up is "people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be at birth"

I dont actually know the gender identity of the 2 boxers but they are presumably identifying as female, at least until their boxing career is over. So they are not transgender but they are males who knew when they went through male puberty that the sex they were assigned at birth was wrong. They also know that their male puberty gives them unfair advantage over women boxers so they are cheats.

Imane was not "born female", Imane was incorrectly assigned female at birth and Imane knows that. Calling Imane "male" is factually correct and the truth is not defamatory.

Havent seen "hate" for the boxers - quite a bit of sympathy for their DSD but a lot of dislike for cheats.

Did you miss all the numerous threads on mumsnet re Van De Velde?

Almost like some posters don't actually care about WAG unless they are the XY sort.

I know I've seen other posters from this thread on the rapist thread. I know I was there. Because WAG's safety is actually important to me.

Feels like voluntary inattentional blindness to have missed them but that can be important to people who need to sustain their personal cognitive biases.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

Is it just me or does the online abuse seem even stronger than usual on this topic?

I've also been trying to calmly fact check some of the false information I've seen on social media, posting links to sources, asking polite questions - and it seems like it just immediately triggers so many of these people to invective.

One man rapes girls, one man hits women for a living, don’t see the joke. Why do you think one of these things is ok?