Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Larry on a horse would be wonderful.

“My closest friend over here has the same point of view - she doesn't think men belong in women's sports or women's prisons, but she knows and likes some transwomen and prefers not to even discuss the rest of the issues. I honestly don't get the logical disconnect with either of these two lovely people. If you seriously think transwomen are women then you logically can't object to them being in women's sports or prisons or other single-sex spaces. It's as if there's a switch in their brains that allows them to hold two conflicting systems of thought simultaneously.”

I think it’s not that they think transwomen actually are women but that they think transwomen can be treated as women in many situations (especially socially). That means it’s fine to treat their transwomen friends as women while acknowledging transwomen’s maleness when it comes to prisons, refuges etc. The trouble is that in that scenario everyone has a different idea of where to draw the line.

@Kucinghitam and other biologists, if you ever have a problem with low blood pressure I've found the perfect antidote: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5169100-bbc-dragon-lizards-and-the-gender-spectrum?

Argh, even reading your thread has given me the rage - I’m not sure my laptop could survive being thrown out of the window if I listened to the programme!

My commentary does appear to have killed the thread. But it makes me so angry to have science co-opted and warped to support ideology.

You can understand the ideologues doing it, but scientists (and particularly science journalists, who ought to know about about the history of this sort of thing) should know better.

Hope it is OK to park this here
Pathetic gesture politics! Fury as Rachel Reeves orders the REMOVAL of all pictures of men in the lavish 11 Downing Street state room in favour of artworks of or by women | Daily Mail Online

Winterborne74 · 18/09/2024 08:12

I’ve no idea who these people are, but I post this because it truly captures the authoritarian/inquisitorial nature of the movement towards women.

What a puddle of bum gravy! I see that the thread is locked and only boot-lickers and sundry sycophants are allowed to post their gushingly supportive comments.

It's fairly normal for governments to change the art on display in Downing Street https://artuk.org/discover/stories/the-mysterious-art-of-government

Gesture politics to make a big deal of it.

Enjoyed this article in the Telegraph, it ticks several recent threads so to avoid posting it multiple times I'm putting it here

https://archive.ph/QmJPo paywall bypass

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/19/ive-found-the-new-c-word-that-no-one-dare-use-common-sense/

Enjoy.

That sums it up perfectly and I liked her snarky style too.

Sounds like this young transperson is living their best life. Who knew your authentic self would be an isolated, unemployed shut-in and when did Richard Madeley become and agony aunt?

https://archive.is/nOPZb paywall bypass and isn't that a bloke they've used in the illustrative photo?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/relationships/dear-richard-madeley-youngest-daughter-born-male-depressed/

I sincerely hope the problem in this letter is fictional. If it isn't I hope they get help, I hope they can salvage their life.

Poor mum might as well have tried to talk some sense into her child, rather than go along with it, because she's been cut off all the same and according to Madeley isn't even allowed to think her MTF child is being unfair. I'm sure it's all women's fault anyway. The mum. Women who believe sex matters. The sisters and cousins.

Not directly about women's rights, but about assertive genderism - very interesting replies.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5172632-to-think-that-non-binary-candidates-are-more-unlikely-to-be-offered-a-job

Started interesting, but all got quite aggressive and unnecessarily nasty (from both sides!), I felt.

Here's a good thing as an antidote: https://x.com/WWWheesht/status/1838186022774968816?

But surely, that should be, yeah, fucking obviously? You'd think.

It should, but given the current state of Rape Crisis Scotland ....

Of course, Bint. That's where we are in this mad world. At least that's been rectified.

Well done this young woman and all the others who kicked him out.

https://archive.ph/fORDE

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/26/moustached-man-refuses-leave-female-toilet-identifies-woman/

I hope the University and associated tas don't try anything.

Well done, that young woman.

Exactly and here's a good example of women banding together. I shall follow it with interest:

Lib Dem councillors quit en masse in ‘sexual harassment’ row.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-councillors-quit-en-masse-in-sexual-harassment-row-xsq80ds088_

Any share token for the Times article?

archive.ph/yIVPJ

Pleased to see that they have not quit as councillors, they have simply resigned from the Lib Dem group and will sit as independents. "In July, an investigation commissioned by the council was carried out by Olwen Brown, a consultant solicitor with the law firm Anthony Collins Solicitors, which concluded that Tindall’s actions “constituted sexual harassment”."

The council subcommittee on standards chose to go against that, the women did the right thing.

I used to really like the LDs and at one point I was actually a member of the party. That evaporated some time ago.