Surprisingly clear news article from Australia re XY humans competing at Olympics in female sports

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I was extremely surprised to see such a clear, well articulated article in an Australian newspaper.

I was not surprised to see TWAW from IOC representatives.

I truly hope the article writers (named on the website) do not get abuse and vitriol - although I doubt that will be the case, unfortunately.

I do hope the writers publish any abuse they do receive.

If any females are physically or otherwise hurt by males (XY/DSD inclusive), I hope every TWAW IOC official endorsing their inclusion is held responsible.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics/paris-olympics-2024-xy-factor-puts-games-in-turmoil/news-story/11e7a22a6514709eb1d538eebeceb0ac

Also

"Mark Adams, a spokesperson for the governing body, said on Tuesday: "These athletes have competed many times before for many years. They haven't just suddenly arrived. They competed in Tokyo. The federation needs to make the rules to make sure that there is fairness."

This is not a strong defence at all.

This means that these males competed in Tokyo and many other times and put female boxers in danger. And the IOC was complicit in this. The IBA states that all boxers may be subject to 'gender testing' to ensure boxers are the same sex. The IBA has not been involved in organising the boxing at either Tokyo or Paris. The current IBA rules were uploaded in 2023 in any case. That is after Tokyo and at the time when these boxers were reportedly excluded.

So, this statement by Mark Adams is meaningless as a defence.

I think it is quite clear by now that your statement "From what I understand", shows just how little you do understand.

"Instead, the IOC is offering media outlets alternatives to words and phrases they might be tempted to use in their coverage of topics related to gender reassignment and non-binary athletes. Examples: girl/boy, woman/man, transgender girl/boy, transgender woman/man, or even transgender person.

“It is always better to focus on a person's actual gender, rather than questioning their identity by referring to the gender category listed on their birth certificate", explains the IOC document.In fact, the issue of transgender athletes should not occupy much of the media at the Paris 2024 Games."

https://www.francsjeux.com/en/2024/06/10/for-paris-2024-the-io-asks-the-media-to-treat-women-better/101320/#:~:text=“It%20is%20always%20better%20to,at%20the%20Paris%202024%20Games.

Being able to have competed before is not a defence when the regulations change with the international federation.

This is yet another failure of the IOC. They have excluded the international federation from being involved and therefore have completely ignored the IBA's regulations.

But sure.... the IOC with their very poorly formed regulations have allowed them to participate in the past.

Guardian article about this
Rules regarding who should compete in the female category have been hotly contested in recent years. But there has been less debate about combat sports, where the risk of serious injury and even death is far higher. Scientific research has also found that the average punching power is 162% greater in those who have gone through male puberty compared to females

Put simply, it is men who are born with something slightly wrong with them in their sexual organs. But they are men, they are XY. In some countries because it is considered shocking a man has no balls etc, the doctors suggest to the parents to bring them up as a girl. Those with these disorders then claim to be women in sports, because even though they are not brilliant at say boxing in this case, they will still be better than women because being male and having gone thru male puberty makes them stronger than women. Smart sports couches will actually look for these males to compete in the women's category. The runner Caster Semenya is one, and he has fathered a baby with his wife. In his case his testes were undecended.

This is from the IOC
https://olympics.com/ioc/gender-equality/portrayal-guidelines?irclickid=yIX25t3r6xyPRmPXNU0KSVJCUkCz0nURm0AJ2U0&irgwc=1&_s=afl_impact&utm_source=Impact&utm_medium=affiliates&SSAID=10078

"Fair, inclusive and non-discriminatory portrayal of transgender sportspeople and athletes with sex variations
Reporting on, communicating about, and interviewing transgender and non-binary people in sport and athletes with sex variations requires care and responsibility to prevent any kind of discrimination. An annex has been added to the IOC Portrayal Guidelines to offer some key definitions, good practices and considerations to promote a more accurate, responsible, respectful, and inclusive coverage and communication of members of these communities, in line with the IOC Framework on Fairness, Inclusion and Non-Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity and Sex Variations, released in November 2021."

If you go to the page linked above, you can scroll to the bottom of this text and download the Framework document.

The initial gender testing which showed they had XY chromosomes and male testosterone levels?

How would a woman fail those tests?

Offering alternative words... better to focus on a person's actual gender

Although obviously designed to disguise what's going on, this doesn't seem like a hard and fast 'if you don't do what we say, we'll withdraw your media rights'.

Like Mark Adams, who thinks that a man having a passport which says he's female, actually makes him female?

I have no idea what the rules are in Algeria or Taiwan, but in the UK, all a man has to do if he wants his passport to say he's female, is send Helen Webberley a few quid to write a letter saying he really, really wants to be a woman, and he can get a 'female' marker on his passport.

I think you should delete this post. It has inaccuracies about what DSDs are and you speculate about a specific individual.

The poster who asked is better off looking at the link to the NHS website that was provided.

From the "IOC Social and Digital Media Guidelines for persons accredited to the
Games" for Rio. I can't find the equivalent document for Paris at the moment but in this document, section 7 Infringements says
"The IOC reserves the right to take any appropriate measures with respect to infringements of these guidelines. The measures may include requiring the removal of any infringing content, withdrawing the accreditation of the responsible person or organisation, taking legal action or imposing other sanctions pursuant to the Olympic Charter."

Apparently though, a person who has previously dismissed women having cream pies thrown in their face, or silly string sprayed at them as being 'just like in comedy shows', may feel that that overwhelming difference in punching power (without mentioning at all female bones being more prone to breaking, particularly in the face and female more delicate brain fibres prone to concussive and other brain damage) is worth dismissing with 'but they are women', when they are clearly male people who have failed a sex test with the IBA.

Nobody has an "actual gender". Gender is made up nonsense.

The only people who share the same gender identity as trans women are other trans women, so give them their own category if you must, but how they identify is utterly irrelevant to actual female athletes.

First match is tomorrow; the other on Friday:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13505993/Olympics-chiefs-BAN-list-harmful-words-describing-trans-athletes-tell-journalists-not-call-born-male-biologically-male-mention-sex-change-Games-Paris.html

Also for those with access:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/06/07/ioc-biologically-male-problematic-language-transgender/

Thank you Cher.

i've never read anything so infuriating all my life. The entire fucking framework is about fairness. And goes out of its way to bleat about sexism, essentially.

"The physical physiological and mental well-being of athletes should be prioritised when establishing eligibility criteria"

But athletes should be able to compete in whatever gender identity they want. And you can't test for what sex they are?

Have I got that right??

The IOC might be stopping the press talking about transgender athletes, but they can't stop the press talking about the IOC talking about transgender athletes!

"Scientifically illiterate"

The wholesale trans washing of the entire event is going to backfire.

It's more transactivation than I've seen in years

Dumb as a fucking stick.

You always make me laugh Wicked, sum things up in one line so well, so often🤣

@Datun the IOC trying to censor the press will backfire spectacularly, in my opinion.

You’d think so. I can’t believe the press are not up in arms about being gagged. But then, look at the BBC…. and the “house style” of various publications and news outlets telling them what they can and cannot say about this subject. The journalists and writers just seem to accept it.

I think the Mail and The Telegraph will have something to say. Maybe they're waiting for the actual fight tomorrow

But the IOC will control images of the fight, presumably?

Yes, I'm sure they'll try. I still think it will be telling though