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Surprisingly clear news article from Australia re XY humans competing at Olympics in female sports

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StealthSpinach · 31/07/2024 01:38

I was extremely surprised to see such a clear, well articulated article in an Australian newspaper.

I was not surprised to see TWAW from IOC representatives.

I truly hope the article writers (named on the website) do not get abuse and vitriol - although I doubt that will be the case, unfortunately.

I do hope the writers publish any abuse they do receive.

If any females are physically or otherwise hurt by males (XY/DSD inclusive), I hope every TWAW IOC official endorsing their inclusion is held responsible.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics/paris-olympics-2024-xy-factor-puts-games-in-turmoil/news-story/11e7a22a6514709eb1d538eebeceb0ac

‘This is a disgrace’: Boxing gender debate splits Olympics

Leading Australian boxing figures have labelled the decision to allow two boxers to compete at the Olympics who have previously been banned because of high testosterone levels as extremely dangerous. SUBSCRIBE TO READ MORE.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics/paris-olympics-2024-xy-factor-puts-games-in-turmoil/news-story/11e7a22a6514709eb1d538eebeceb0ac

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Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

Snowypeaks · 31/07/2024 10:21

Christinapple

They're men. Some men get into women's sports via the trans ticket, these men are doing it via the DSD ticket.

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They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

Snowypeaks · 31/07/2024 10:24

It's sex testing and only men fail it. Gender is irrelevant.

Imnobody4 · 31/07/2024 10:24

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

No they are men.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:25

BettyFilous · 31/07/2024 07:16

Madeleine Pape sounds woefully uninformed. She needs to read the more recent literature on male advantage post-transition before spouting off in the media.

http://www.madeleinepape.com

I am a sociologist of gender who examines the epistemic politics of “sex” and “gender” across diverse institutional contexts. I am particularly interested in how notions of “biological sex” and “sex difference” become embedded in gender equity projects in sport and biomedicine, and with what consequences. By examining how policymakers, scientists, and (certain) feminists seek to enact “sex,” I show how “it” emerges as elusive and ambiguous and always entangled with gender, race, nation, and other socially meaningful forms of difference.

Quite clearly from the Judith Butler school of sematic obfuscation.

Madeleine Pape

http://www.madeleinepape.com

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:28

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

They are males with DSD's of the XY variety.

Helleofabore · 31/07/2024 10:31

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

Female people don't fail 'gender testing'. All it takes is a cheek swab for nearly every case. However, female people will fail 'performance drug' testing. Those performance drug using female people will be the only female athletes to fail a 'gender test' due to 'high testosterone'.

What part of this do you simply not understand after thread upon thread that you have posted on about this topic of male athletes in female sports categories?

Let me just repost this chart. It obviously needs to be posted every couple of pages on these threads.

Surprisingly clear news article from Australia re XY humans competing at Olympics in female sports
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:33

Can anyone explain what authority the IOC actually have over the worldwide media?

Surely the media don't actually answer to the IOC and can report whatever they like?

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:35

With all information available and the fact they have competed before, they are permitted to continue competing.

I'm sure the people who make the decisions at the Olympics know better than any of us.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:35

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

Not on this sub forum, where the words "women" and "female" will suffice.

Trans women are not women and they are not female.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:35

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:35

With all information available and the fact they have competed before, they are permitted to continue competing.

I'm sure the people who make the decisions at the Olympics know better than any of us.

Then why are they making such terrible decisions?

puffyisgood · 31/07/2024 10:35

Helleofabore · 31/07/2024 10:31

Female people don't fail 'gender testing'. All it takes is a cheek swab for nearly every case. However, female people will fail 'performance drug' testing. Those performance drug using female people will be the only female athletes to fail a 'gender test' due to 'high testosterone'.

What part of this do you simply not understand after thread upon thread that you have posted on about this topic of male athletes in female sports categories?

Let me just repost this chart. It obviously needs to be posted every couple of pages on these threads.

simply put, there are two main organs in the body that produce testosterone, namely the ovaries and the testes. only testes are valent of producing really high male levels of testosterone, and without exception all of these athletes who've been identified as 'intersex' have healthy functioning testes and no ovaries at all.

Snowypeaks · 31/07/2024 10:36

Just conjecture, but if the IOC sell the TV rights to broadcasters and issue entry passes to journalists to be present at events, then those broadcast rights and passes may have conditions attached?

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:37

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:33

Can anyone explain what authority the IOC actually have over the worldwide media?

Surely the media don't actually answer to the IOC and can report whatever they like?

The IOC are as corrupt and untrustworthy now as the U.N.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:37

The IOC are as corrupt and untrustworthy now as the U.N.

That goes without saying, but what authority do they actually have over the media?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:39

Snowypeaks · 31/07/2024 10:36

Just conjecture, but if the IOC sell the TV rights to broadcasters and issue entry passes to journalists to be present at events, then those broadcast rights and passes may have conditions attached?

Then that's something that needs blowing wide open.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:38

That goes without saying, but what authority do they actually have over the media?

The IOC is the owner of the global media rights for the Olympic Games – including broadcasts on television, radio and digital platforms – and is responsible for allocating Olympic media rights to media companies throughout the world through the negotiation of media rights agreements.

https://olympics.com/ioc/media-rights-holders

Olympic Media Rights-Holders - TV, Radio, Mobile and Internet Platforms

Official home of the IOC. Find the latest news and featured stories, information about IOC members plus Olympic principles, values and legacy.

https://olympics.com/ioc/media-rights-holders

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:42

“These are Games that truly inspire and excite us, urging OBS to push the boundaries, not only in our broadcasting, but also in the way we convey the stories of athletes, sports, the city and the host country.”
Yiannis Exarchos, CEO, OBS

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/07/2024 10:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:38

That goes without saying, but what authority do they actually have over the media?

Presumably it's a similar authority as the trans lobby groups who were allowed to write the trans guidelines for the UK media to ensure they uncritically report trans issues according to their own demands?

I keep waiting for the press to start reporting accurately and it's starting but there's still to much "she" for men etc.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:43

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:39

The IOC is the owner of the global media rights for the Olympic Games – including broadcasts on television, radio and digital platforms – and is responsible for allocating Olympic media rights to media companies throughout the world through the negotiation of media rights agreements.

https://olympics.com/ioc/media-rights-holders

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Someone needs to whistle blow on this.

I know we can't expect the BBC to take a principled stand.

But just imagine what would happen if the BBC reported on this issue, got its rights revoked, and then said, "Sorry viewers, you'll get no more coverage of the Olympics because we got banned for telling you that the IOC lets men compete in women's categories, including in the boxing which is clearly dangerous."

Just imagine.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:43

I suspect that the IOC also had something to do with the over-emphasis on 'Queer' in the opening ceremony.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2024 10:44

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:43

I suspect that the IOC also had something to do with the over-emphasis on 'Queer' in the opening ceremony.

They are utterly captured and corrupt.

Datun · 31/07/2024 10:46

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:39

The IOC is the owner of the global media rights for the Olympic Games – including broadcasts on television, radio and digital platforms – and is responsible for allocating Olympic media rights to media companies throughout the world through the negotiation of media rights agreements.

https://olympics.com/ioc/media-rights-holders

Edited

The IOC is the owner of the global media rights for the Olympic Games – including broadcasts on television, radio and digital platforms – and is responsible for allocating Olympic media rights to media companies throughout the world through the negotiation of media rights agreements.

Olympic Broadcasting Services
Olympic Broadcasting Services (OBS) is responsible for providing the international television and radio signals from the Games to all Media Rights-Holders around the world. The IOC established OBS in 2001 to serve as the permanent host broadcaster for the Olympic Games, eliminating the need to continually rebuild the broadcast operation for each edition of the Games. OBS ensures that the high standards of Olympic Games coverage are consistently maintained from one edition of the Games to the next.

They control all the rights and provide all the signals?

Fuck me.

borntobequiet · 31/07/2024 10:46

Christinapple · 31/07/2024 10:22

They are cisgendered women who failed the initial gender testing, yes it can happen.

And Yes I know people with gender critical beliefs dislike the 30 year old term cisgendered, but it's use is appropriate here to clarify they are not men or trans.

You just need to say women.

Datun · 31/07/2024 10:48

Can someone point me to where it says they're not allowed to report on this?

I know the IOC seem to control everything, but where have they said and because of that, we're censoring this issue.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/07/2024 10:52

"Paris 2024 Brand Protection Programme

As part of the agreement to host the Olympic Games, the Paris 2024 Organising Committee and the national government of France pledged to the IOC that it would abide by the Olympic Charter and protect all Olympic-related intellectual properties.All intellectual properties, including emblems, logos and designations relating to the Olympic and Paralympic Games, were therefore protected in France by national law.

The use of these intellectual properties for the Olympic Games Paris 2024 was managed by the Paris 2024 Organising Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. Permission must be granted by this organisation prior to use.

The IOC and the Paris 2024 Organising Committee have implemented a global Brand Protection Programme consisting of monitoring the internet to detectand act against any infringing use of Olympic properties, and to collaborate with law enforcement authorities against counterfeit goods"