Surprisingly clear news article from Australia re XY humans competing at Olympics in female sports

[StealthSpinach]

I was extremely surprised to see such a clear, well articulated article in an Australian newspaper.

I was not surprised to see TWAW from IOC representatives.

I truly hope the article writers (named on the website) do not get abuse and vitriol - although I doubt that will be the case, unfortunately.

I do hope the writers publish any abuse they do receive.

If any females are physically or otherwise hurt by males (XY/DSD inclusive), I hope every TWAW IOC official endorsing their inclusion is held responsible.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics/paris-olympics-2024-xy-factor-puts-games-in-turmoil/news-story/11e7a22a6514709eb1d538eebeceb0ac

Ah. A true believer. In that case, her quotes are disingenuous and promote misinformation. How unethical!

A difference of sex development. A medical condition.

In the case of some male athletes, such as those with 5ARD, they may have been categorised as girls when they were born because they might have a malformed penis and they could have a short vagina, with undescended testes. This is the documented condition that Caster Semenya has. Those athletes go through male puberty though if they still retain their testes and have normal male hormone combinations and testosterone levels.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

191 comments now - with the vast and overwhelming majority supporting women, and calling for single sex sport.

Given the comments and reactions, when people actually hear of the travesty of XY individuals competing in the female category in boxing or any other sport, they are clear in denouncing it as unacceptable.

Media organisations have covered this ideology up, refused to publish articles about the impact of gender identity ideology on (especially) women and children, feted transgenderism and decried women who defended their rights as nazis and bigots. The mainstream media in Australia has participated in silencing women with legitimate concerns for their safety, spaces and dignity.

I hope this starts a flood of articles in the mainstream media, about all the issues and problems of this ideology…

I'm assuming the Algerian is Muslim, however nominally, and I'd understood that Islam considers it shameful for a man to pretend to be a woman.

This used to get my back up because I focused on the 'woman equals shame' bit, but now I think I'm starting to see the reasoning behind it.

Does anyone know what powers the IOC have to enforce their reporting guidelines?

I assume they could withdraw access rights from individual journalists or even whole media organisations (I can't see them.doing the latter- it would draw far more attention to the issue). But it seems unlikely they would have any wider sanctions available.

I have never really read the sports section of the newspaper, is it common for an article to be authored by four jounalists?
I'm just wondering if they're trying to make it harder for the IOC (or even activists) to sideline and penalise them. One of those journalists is with the Courier Mail, two are with the Australian, and one is editor at large with the Daily Telegraph (Sydney News Corp paper).
I think News Corp are indicating that they'll back their journos on this. But maybe I'm being optimistic.

Madeleine Pape, an Australian former middle distance Olympian, and the IOC’s Gender Equality, Diversity and Inclusion specialist told Welsh BBC: “The IOC recognises that trans women are women. We need to get away from an abstract debate that sees this as potentially calling into question the existence of a women’s category altogether.”

Her words come across as a threat that women's sports will disappear unless we accept men can compete in them.

In Iran they are all for it. Better to trans one half of a gay couple to pretend they're straight than risk death for being gay.

I have seen something like that before in a News Corp article. I wondered at the time if it meant that the article rolled out in all the main state papers and the Australian. ie. That journalists collaborate to get wider distribution of their articles and the papers get to spotlight their ‘house’ journos still and maintain local coverage for statistics.

I doubt Ms Pape would see it as an 'abstract debate' if she were the one in the ring.

In running it is 'only' unfair. In boxing it's lifethreatening.

Yes it would be useful for people to actually start talking about DSDs in the mainstream media.

Many people who have grasped the trans issue are still under the impression that a human being can be born with both sets of genitalia and choose whether to be male or female.

TRAs deliberately hitched 'intersex' to the trans wagon. From what I remember it was all about surgery and trying to form alliances with other people who might want it. And of course, it also muddies the waters.

So any sunlight on this is going to be very useful indeed. Plus the IOC trying to censor the press will backfire spectacularly, in my opinion.

I wonder if Madeleine Pape feels so free about allowing male athletes to compete because no female athletes have broken records for her own event, the 800 m, since the 1980s. And those records are held by countries under Soviet control at the time. And even with all the modern training regimens and kit remain unbroken.

Even unbroken by male athletes.

Makes me think. If those women were at the peak of their fitness and perhaps on supplements that were undetected at the time, they are still beating those male athletes who are apparently in peak fitness running the 800m with their testosterone and all.

Sorry, what is this event? Do you have sources? As far as I know women can compete with men only in ultra running and equestrian sports.

The 800 metres? In 2016, at the Rio Olympics 3 male athletes with differences of sex development won all three medals. However, the records were all set in the 1980s. By women from countries within the Soviet block.

Apparently, we should be placing Semenya on a pedestal, similarly to Usain Bolt, for all SHE has done for women’s sport… according to Pape.

Seriously!

https://www.olympics.com.au/news/dr-madeleine-pape-how-a-career-ending-injury-led-to-a-personal-pilgrimage-and-a-new-voice-for-gender-eligibility-in-sport/

Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia broke the 800 m world record with a time of 1:53.28 in 1983.

She was, apparently, 'a late developer" - she was 32 when she set her world records. Isn't that extraordinary, eh?

Gosh spinach. This is an extraordinary claim from this IOC employee, on the Australian Olympic site!

“Some experts further argued that to compete as a woman, Semenya should be subject to invasive gender testing, drugs and procedures to reduce her natural testosterone. Some athletes who have undergone these procedures now have lifelong side effects like osteoporosis, brittle bones and the early onset of menopause”

No male person goes through menopause.

Ffs!

What are the IOC threatening to do to journalists who report on these men in women's sports? Expel them from the Games, sue them for breach of contract..? What is stopping media outlets from reporting on this abuse of women athletes?

It really is cher.. Those Soviet countries seemed to have extraordinary training methods!

https://www.outsports.com/2024/7/30/24098698/imane-khelif-lin-yu%E2%80%91ting-paris-olympics-boxing-gender-test/

From what I understand, neither of the named women are male or trans. Just because they failed the initial tests doesn't mean they are male.

One is also from Algeria where gay or trans people face legal challenges and discrimination. So it would seem unlikely for a trans person to emerge from such a country and compete in a very public contest.

"The two women have been at the center of the continuing controversy regarding the inclusion in the female sports category of women who have naturally elevated levels of testosterone. To be clear, these two women are not reportedly transgender, though anti-trans activists like Riley Gaines are making the claim they are men. These athletes may be intersex."

From another article

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1930058/Derek-Chisora-Imane-Khelif-Olympics-2024

"Mark Adams, a spokesperson for the governing body, said on Tuesday: "These athletes have competed many times before for many years. They haven't just suddenly arrived. They competed in Tokyo. The federation needs to make the rules to make sure that there is fairness."

Summary- They are both women even if they may not initially appear to be in certain tests, a lot of thought and consideration has been made to permit them to continue competing.

*Semenya has a condition which impacts male sexual characteristics

It has been reported that Khelif and Lin are not transwomen, but are categorised as DSD athletes ... similar to South African runner Caster Semenya.

"Male sexual characteristics".

Like Caster Semenya, male that he is, is supposedly a "woman"?

Christinapple

They're men. Some men get into women's sports via the trans ticket, these men are doing it via the DSD ticket.