Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?

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A young man called Cameron Allan has been found guilty of raping and murdering a man:

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There has been some suggesting that this is the same man who held the "Decapitate Terfs" sign at a demo in Scotland.

The photo used in the Sky News story doesn't look like him, but it seems not to be a recent photo. This tweet shows the pic used in another story about him (when he invited a hotel worker to take part in a porn movie), and puts it side by side with the Decapitate Terfs guy:

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I don't think anyone is surprised when the police issue boilerplate statements. They provide cover for all eventualities, incompetence, laziness, bias and corruption. And sometimes they are in the interests of justice. The trouble is that confidence in the police has been so damaged it is difficult to know.

I’m not sure either. The man in the sign looks older. Cameron looks very young and finer features.

Surely the police have the tech to determine from a photo? All this stuff about the distances between facial features that they can measure precisely?

I’ve just been comparing the pictures again and I really think they are two different people. The eyebrows look completely different as well as other differences. Perhaps this is why it hit a brick wall when the police were given his name.

I think the differences are even more apparent in these photos. Cameron looks v v young in all pics.

Is Glasgow not full of CCTV cameras like we have in England?

I can't believe the police couldn't easily have tracked the signholder's movements leading up to and after the protest.

There’s a post on Wings Over Scotland showing an image of a female who they believe to be the young person holding the ‘decapitate’ sign. They are obviously not Cameron Allan.

Interestingly the female is shown sitting in front of a David Bowie Ziggy Stardust poster. I have a photo from on the day of someone holding the ‘decapitate’ sign - they have their back to me with their grey hood up and a black jacket and a rucksack on their back. The rucksack has a Ziggy Stardust badge on it.

I really think we need to be very careful before jumping in and linking things. There’s a post doing the rounds on X with a picture of an emo-type transwoman who many are saying is Thomas Matthew Crooks - Donald Trump’s attempted assassin. It’s not but people are trying to create connections - and you have to ask why? Trying to create friction? Stir up trouble?

I’m not saying that’s what’s happened here but am just advising caution and fact-checking when stories spill out from X/Twitter (and yes, yes I know that often it’s the only way certain stories of importance see the light of day when the likes of the BBC are choosing to look the other way but YKWIM?)

Even if it's not Cameron holding that sign, I'm still surprised that he'd get bail on a murder charge as, even if he was 17 in 2021 when it was committed, he was an adult at the point of charge / bail. Particularly when his co-accused was remanded.

I looked at the photos and I think the placard person and Cameron look like one and the same.

I've read Wings's post on X, and I agree that the "decapitate terfs" person looks like the woman in the first picture. But it does also look like Cameron Allan - the three pics look remarkably similar. The reason I originally thought that Allan might be the decapitate terfs person was the mouth, which to me appears virtually identical. So who knows? I do find it odd that a woman would hold a sign saying "Decapitate Terfs" but then this whole ideologically-driven movement is odd from top to bottom so it's not impossible.

He harrassed a female hotel worker in Dunfermline in 2022 while he was on bail - showed her explicit pictures. He pled guilty and it was deemed there was no sexual element and I believe he was given a community payback order.

It is surprising, but if you look at the reports from the trial (which are grim), it may not immediately have been clear that it was murder. The man who died had been given a spiked drink, and that was the cause of death. It must have taken time to get the post mortem done and the drink analysed and to investigate where the drugs came from. It would also have taken time to get the film footage from the two murderers' phones. To begin with, all that would have been known is that a man had died in suspicious circumstances, and it might have looked just like a drug overdose combined with excessive drinking, both of which I'm guessing are pretty common in a depressed area of Fife.

This report asks the important questions and gets waffle from the police and crts.
For those who are saying that, it can't be him because he looks too young in the police issued photo please remember that the 2 photos were taken over a year apart and the more recent ones from outside the crt are more accurate.
Also there are legal reasons behind only Allan's picture being released so as we're dealing with Scottish contempt of crt rules please don't post pictures or links to them of brister

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/family-dad-murdered-sadistic-killers-33288775?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Also there are legal reasons behind only Allan's picture being released

That's interesting.

Well, it must have got to the point that 'it looked like murder' for them to have been charged and therefore a decision to have been made on whether they should be bailed or remanded.

They were charged about 3 months after the offence. This is the time period during which the police would have been establishing whether it was 'just' a tragic drink/drugs overdose.

According to the timeline helpfully posted above they were both remanded on or about 1st Feb 2022 with a court appearance within a week on or about 7th Feb. At that hearing it seems Allan was released on bail because a few days after that on 16th Feb he commits the breach of the peace offence at the Holiday Inn.
Given the sexual overtones of that offence and the elements it shared with the murder and rape offence (gay porn video/'threesomes') I don't understand why bail was not reviewed at that point and he was remanded back in custody. Or why that didn't happen when he was later charged, convicted or sentenced for the BOTP offence.
I suspect it was regarded rather dismissively as a 'woman shocked by dick pics' case rather than treated with the significance it deserved.

Given the sexual overtones of that offence and the elements it shared with the murder and rape offence (gay porn video/'threesomes') I don't understand why bail was not reviewed at that point and he was remanded back in custody.

It's difficult to understand but I wonder if it's anything to do with Scotland's mad policy of treating under-25s as not really culpable because their brains aren't properly developed. (Except when it comes to voting, of course, which they are mature enough to do from age 16.)

I suspect it was regarded rather dismissively as a 'woman shocked by dick pics' case rather than treated with the significance it deserved.

Agreed. Not everyone who distributes those pictures is a predator. But, I'd be surprised if a startlingly high proportion of sex offenders who start with so-called minor stuff like flashing, pics and transgression of boundaries don't follow a clear pathway of escalation.

Thanks for this. I just looked and yes the picture of the female they believe to be holding the sign along with her blue haired friend looks bang on. Not Cameron Allan.

So don't make connections based on evidence of a vicious, warped mindset but do make connections based on a liking for Ziggy Stardust.

Have I got that right?

FWIW, I spent ages looking at the images back when they came out before convictions, I wasn't totally convinced due to eyebrows and chin.

I do think this woman is the person holding the decapitate terf sign

x.com/wingsscotland/status/1814650414224019506?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Yup. It isn’t CA.

There is a different picture of suspected sign holder with her friend in a club who has v distinctive hair and glasses. It looks like the same woman is next to the woman holding the sign.

I didnt take that assumption from the comment at all. More that its a strange coincidence.

Just been sentenced to Life imprisonment with a minimum term of 19 years.

www.copfs.gov.uk/about-copfs/news/two-men-who-drugged-raped-and-murdered-young-dad-jailed/

I'm glad to hear they got long sentences.

Thank you for the update.