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Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?

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RoyalCorgi · 20/07/2024 07:40

A young man called Cameron Allan has been found guilty of raping and murdering a man:

news.sky.com/story/dylan-brister-and-cameron-allan-facing-life-sentences-for-rape-and-murder-of-young-father-in-fife-13181066 news.sky.com/story/dylan-brister-and-cameron-allan-facing-life-sentences-for-rape-and-murder-of-young-father-in-fife-13181066]]]]

There has been some suggesting that this is the same man who held the "Decapitate Terfs" sign at a demo in Scotland.

The photo used in the Sky News story doesn't look like him, but it seems not to be a recent photo. This tweet shows the pic used in another story about him (when he invited a hotel worker to take part in a porn movie), and puts it side by side with the Decapitate Terfs guy:

mobile.x.com/confusedteacups/status/1813634377932587465 mobile.x.com/confusedteacups/status/1813634377932587465]]

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/07/2024 12:07

So at the time he was carrying signs in public threatening to decapitate women, he was on bail for murder? Is that right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 12:10

That's what appears to be the case.

NoWordForFluffy · 20/07/2024 12:10

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/07/2024 12:07

So at the time he was carrying signs in public threatening to decapitate women, he was on bail for murder? Is that right?

Yep!

I thought you didn't get bail for murder? 🤔

RepresentMe · 20/07/2024 12:13

I honestly don’t think they’re the same person. The hair is differently parted, the sign-holder has less-fine facial features including a squarer chin. Are you all entirely sure?

Are you basing this assumption entirely on those two specific photos or is there other evidence/proof?

I hope I’m proved wrong and not just because I was stood about 3 people away from the sign-holder at that rally.

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:18

Hoardasurass · 20/07/2024 11:37

Is that Alec Cole Hamiltons friend Beth in the background of your 1st picture @ArabellaScott

I dont think so.

Melroses · 20/07/2024 12:23

RepresentMe · 20/07/2024 12:13

I honestly don’t think they’re the same person. The hair is differently parted, the sign-holder has less-fine facial features including a squarer chin. Are you all entirely sure?

Are you basing this assumption entirely on those two specific photos or is there other evidence/proof?

I hope I’m proved wrong and not just because I was stood about 3 people away from the sign-holder at that rally.

It is harder to make a decision based on just 2 photos, but when you see more photos of him at different ages, it becomes clearer and more convincing.

There is more evidence around twitter which is pointing in the same direction.

There was evidence given to the police of who the sign holder was, but they just couldn't find him 🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 12:24

There are lots of other photos of Cameron Allan on various social media sites if you do some digging.

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:25

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:18

I dont think so.

To clarify, Beth Douglas was there. This is him circled, in a colourful jacket.

Demo was stuffed with politicians.

Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:29

Also there and speaking: Patrick Harvie. Also speaking: the chap who shouted 'Witch' at women at the Scottish Parliament.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/furious-edinburgh-local-screams-witch-21487432

Nice bunch of folk.

Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:32

Another politician. Ellie Gomersall. Scottish Greens. In the yellow hat.

Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2024 12:51

How awful they are, but I guess Labour weren't any better sharing a platform with mad testicle eater (his own) Sarah Jane.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 20/07/2024 12:56

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:25

To clarify, Beth Douglas was there. This is him circled, in a colourful jacket.

Demo was stuffed with politicians.

Courtesy of Stonewall, hasn't it been essential to attend events to demonstrate proof of allyship and leadership? Aren't these various criteria in SW's WEI racket scheme?

General outline: https://www.stonewall.org.uk/workplace-training-events/lgbtq-allies-and-trans-allies-programmes/lgbtq-allies-programme

However, I'm sure we've seen SW's advice on how to achieve a high WEI score includes mandating leaders are involved in events and must attend this. Individuals get marks for this that they can use in their performance reviews. Officials like them because they can be used to make a case for various allyship awards etc.

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:58

lots of extreme and violent signs. Here's another one.

Behind this woman with the sign calling for people to 'scratch a terf' are two men from the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, of which Ian Dunn was a founding member. (Dunn also founded PIE).

Also one saying 'peg Rishi Sunak' [pegging is buggery with a dildo], Fuck Section 35, Screw the Tories, God hates Tories, etc.

Some signs were made at a workshop just prior, in 'Bonjour Glasgow', which has since closed.

Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?
Wumblewimble · 20/07/2024 13:01

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 20/07/2024 11:55

Susan Dalgety has pulled lots of it together here

https://mobile.x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1814594782947065929

Delighted that MF has the bit between his teeth on this - police Scotland have questions to answer

Who is MF please

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 13:01

Murdo Fraser.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 20/07/2024 13:09

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 12:58

lots of extreme and violent signs. Here's another one.

Behind this woman with the sign calling for people to 'scratch a terf' are two men from the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, of which Ian Dunn was a founding member. (Dunn also founded PIE).

Also one saying 'peg Rishi Sunak' [pegging is buggery with a dildo], Fuck Section 35, Screw the Tories, God hates Tories, etc.

Some signs were made at a workshop just prior, in 'Bonjour Glasgow', which has since closed.

I always think of Hein and Dunn together.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3755189-PIE-again

PIE again. | Mumsnet

An interesting thread on twitter (I have not independently checked any of this so it may well all be fake news.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3755189-PIE-again

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 13:12

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170315224225/www.scotsgay.co.uk/io20a/obit.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20170315224225/www.scotsgay.co.uk/io20a/obit.html

Hein's 'personal note' on Dunn's obit.

CriticalCondition · 20/07/2024 13:47

I've just been trying to work out the timeline too MrsO.

The rally with the decapitate terf sign took place on 21st Jan 2023. The horrific rape and murder was committed in Nov 2021. The first report of any murder charges I can find is in May 2023 when the two accused appeared in court with trial scheduled for June 2024. Brisker was remanded and Allan was bailed. I'm not familiar with Scottish criminal legal procedure so I don't know how quickly this particular court hearing would have followed a charge but I guess it's in the region of a few days.

In the preceding months in the spring of 2023 the police were reported as saying that they had investigated complaints about the sign and 'enquiries were closed'. This seems deliberately vague and was presumably to avoid any prejudice of the ongoing murder case in which charges were imminent.

So as far as I can tell in Jan 2023 he hadn't yet been charged with murder and rape but it seems likely he was under investigation in a case that had been ongoing for over a year.

EsmaCannonball · 20/07/2024 13:52

'If you build it, they will come.'

Create a movement that empowers sex offenders and they will flock to it and co-opt it. Trouble is the organisations who enable these criminals don't seem to realise they are now the equivalent of the Catholic bishop circa 1975 who doesn't look too hard at what Father Michael gets up to at the orphanage because they'd rather not confront an awkward truth. They can't have failed to see how many of this small sub-set of men have turned out to be violent or sexual criminals.

There really needs to be some kind of official accountability for political parties, public bodies and companies who allow themselves to be used to further the agenda of sex offenders and fraudsters.

outdamnedspots · 20/07/2024 15:04

The self-pity and lack of remorse is off the scale. Brister called himself 'a young boy who likes to have fun' - he's 27.

Allen said he had 'bad sex thoughts' which he blamed on his mum dying in a car accident.

Lock them both up. Murdering scum.

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 15:45

CriticalCondition · 20/07/2024 13:47

I've just been trying to work out the timeline too MrsO.

The rally with the decapitate terf sign took place on 21st Jan 2023. The horrific rape and murder was committed in Nov 2021. The first report of any murder charges I can find is in May 2023 when the two accused appeared in court with trial scheduled for June 2024. Brisker was remanded and Allan was bailed. I'm not familiar with Scottish criminal legal procedure so I don't know how quickly this particular court hearing would have followed a charge but I guess it's in the region of a few days.

In the preceding months in the spring of 2023 the police were reported as saying that they had investigated complaints about the sign and 'enquiries were closed'. This seems deliberately vague and was presumably to avoid any prejudice of the ongoing murder case in which charges were imminent.

So as far as I can tell in Jan 2023 he hadn't yet been charged with murder and rape but it seems likely he was under investigation in a case that had been ongoing for over a year.

Susan Dalgety has laid out a timeline:

https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1814594782947065929

'On 2 and 3 November 2021, Cameron Allan and Dylan Brister carried out the horrific rape and murder of Calum Simpson, as reported in the Courier

On or around 1 February 2022 Allan and Blister appear in court, accused of murder, and are remanded pending a court appearance within 7 days, as reported in the Courier

On 16 February 2022 Cameron Allan commits a breach of the peace (with sexual overstones) in the Holiday Inn Express, Dunfermline, as reported in the Courier

October 2022 Cameron Allan pled guilty to Holiday Inn breach of the peace. Social work report said he was under voluntary supervision, as reported in the Courier

On or around 19 January 2023 Cameron Allan is sentenced to a community payback order and placed under social work supervision for the Holiday Inn Express breach of the peace, as reported in the Courier

Two days later on 21 January 2023 at a S35 protest in Glasgow, Kakaub Stewart MSP (now Equalities Minister) and Kirsten Oswald MP appear in front of a protestor holding Decapitate Terfs sign. Cameron Allan named by many as the protestor. No confirmation.

28 May 2023 At Glasgow High Court Cameron Allan and Dylan Brister are charged with rape and murder, trial set for June 2024 as reported in the Sun

19 July 2024 Allan and Brister found guilty of rape and murder, as reported in the Courier. The report has link to Allan’s 2022 breach of peace charge which happened AFTER he was originally remanded for murder'

x.com

https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1814594782947065929

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2024 15:47

Her thread has links, which I've not copied

YouJustDoYou · 20/07/2024 15:51

Breathe wrong at a trans at you get arrested for hurty feelings. Calling for killing a woman trying to uphold female rights and meh, police don't give a shiny shit. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that YET ANOTHER TRANS ALLY is a violent piece of shit proving their gleeful murder-approving language translates over into their real life actions.

YouJustDoYou · 20/07/2024 15:52

outdamnedspots · 20/07/2024 15:04

The self-pity and lack of remorse is off the scale. Brister called himself 'a young boy who likes to have fun' - he's 27.

Allen said he had 'bad sex thoughts' which he blamed on his mum dying in a car accident.

Lock them both up. Murdering scum.

Men can be such utter warped fucking sickos.

duc748 · 20/07/2024 16:09

However, I'm sure we've seen SW's advice on how to achieve a high WEI score includes mandating leaders are involved in events and must attend this. Individuals get marks for this that they can use in their performance reviews. Officials like them because they can be used to make a case for various allyship awards etc.

SW seem to model their methodology on the Chinese Communist Party.

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