Cameron Allan found guilty of rape and murder: is this the "Decapitate Terfs" man?

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A young man called Cameron Allan has been found guilty of raping and murdering a man:

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There has been some suggesting that this is the same man who held the "Decapitate Terfs" sign at a demo in Scotland.

The photo used in the Sky News story doesn't look like him, but it seems not to be a recent photo. This tweet shows the pic used in another story about him (when he invited a hotel worker to take part in a porn movie), and puts it side by side with the Decapitate Terfs guy:

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Lots of images of Allan available via Google. I haven't seen one of Brister, which is odd. Police Scotland released a statement about the conviction with a picture of Allan but none of Brister. I wonder why not.

I'm wondering that, too, Gasp0de.

This might be him. The other man in the video attached to this tweet looks like Allan. https://x.com/DownWithTheSNP/status/1814608016836067764 Have not listened to the audio as currently sitting with my 91yo Mum,who doesn't need to hear any of this.

Lots of images of Allan available via Google. I haven't seen one of Brister, which is odd. Police Scotland released a statement about the conviction with a picture of Allan but none of Brister. I wonder why not.

It is odd, because CA is the young one.

If that's Brister's TikTok some of us found that some time ago, CA is clearly visible on several of the videos.

It's a real shame we can't trust the police any more, that's my take away from all of this.

Yes, that's what I've seen. Very odd not to release an image of him. Hopefully he will be inside for a very long time.

Brister also has a tragic backstory. Most people manage to get over awful events without raping and murdering people though.

Not his first violent offence either. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-courier-advertiser-fife-edition/20151009/281573764523891

Sentenced to 32 months' detention in 2015 for a violent attack on another man while under the influence of alcohol.

So this is presumably the report of his brother's death, when the car he was travelling in crashed after the extremely drunk driver lost control of it at high speed? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-28884556

Yes, 17 at the time of the murder. Perhaps why he was bailed?

Could be yes, and why they went round to check up on him that much.

I’m still not convinced. As I said, I was stood not far from where those signs were being held but didn’t notice the ‘decapitate’ sign on the day.

I really hope you’re all wrong. The sign was abhorrent but they looked just like a gaggle of young TRAs. I actually suspected the person holding the sign might be a young transman. The idea that one of them was on bail for rape and murder and that the Scottish Police somehow may have established it’s the same person but are withholding that information? That would be beyond the pale. I’m pretty appalled by what’s gone on in Scotland but I just can’t believe this.

The key question is: Do we have any evidence that anyone suggested, at the time, that Cameron Allan was the person holding the ‘Decapitate’ sign? All I can find is his name being attached retrospectively in the light of all the details of this horrific rape and murder being released.

It’s bad enough that he was out on bail when he committed that 2nd offence on the 61 year old woman. If, as people are deducing, he was allowed to hold up that sign and not get lifted for it - well… words fail me.

I’m obviously not a fan of whoever is holding that sign in the photo but to accuse them wrongly of being Cameron Allan does no one any favours.

So as far as I can tell in Jan 2023 he hadn't yet been charged with murder and rape but it seems likely he was under investigation in a case that had been ongoing for over a year

He was and it seems to have been fairly openly known in the local community. I've just checked and I have screenshots on my phone of social media that I took in Jan 2023 just after the Decapitate TERFs incident, when the photo popped up re the hotel sexual harassment and the man was thought to be the same man at the protest.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/dunfermline-press/20221027/281560884729009

Yes I have more information than this but I can't share it, sorry.

Thanks @ArabellaScott and @Ereshkigalangcleg for setting out and confirming details of the full timeline.

It seems plenty of people were following this in real time and knew who it was. But the police couldn't/wouldn't confirm it to avoid a risk of prejudicing the ongoing murder case.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-claim-decapitate-terfs-33288170

'A [police] spokeswoman told the Scottish Daily Express: "Extensive enquiries have been carried out and at present no-one has been arrested. However, the case remains open and any new information will be fully investigated."'

We don't know the police's motivations, tbh.

How can anyone use that in their defence?! The mind boggles if all the crims who have lost parents as children use this defence strategy! 'Ok guys, it's fine to rape and/or murder. We'll go easy on you as your mother died when you were a child.'

I want you all to be wrong because if it’s him he had a coterie of young girls around him (although I’m sure some of them would hate me for identifying them as such) All hating on women who dare to want to have safeguarding in place to protect ourselves from shits like him. All marching down from the Bonjour club, all with their placards nicely archived by the kind women of The Glasgow Women’s Library.

If the police were not giving information out about his identity so it would not prejudice a live case, then what’s stopping them now? And would it not have been mentioned in his sentencing that he had attended a protest and committed a hate crime? Oh no I forgot women aren’t protected by such things up here.

His name was given to the police by Murdo Fraser msp at the time, I've already posted a screenshot and link to murdos tweet

True, we don't know the police motivations. I don't know if his deceased mother was in the police or not but I think it unlikely they were protecting 'their own' as someone up thread suggested.

They had him firmly on the hook for the most heinous crimes. And although I have no trouble believing that a strong streak of misogyny contributed to batting away complaints about the placard, I still think it's likely they didn't want to put a conviction for a horrific murder and rape in jeopardy by putting his name all over national mainstream and social media for a placard, hateful and murderous though it was.

If you’re taking the information from the Tweet that I just read by Murdo Fraser it’s not exactly saying that he himself gave police CA’s name. What it says is:

‘I reported the sign incident to @PoliceScotland at the time, as did others. The name of Cameron Allan was given to them.’

Now maybe he knows that his name was given to them but to me it’s a bit of hearsay and I’m trying to work out whether it happened at the time, or whether it’s a recent accusation now that we’re seeing photos and news post-verdict.

But I’m getting the impression that people know information that they can’t impart on this thread. Fair enough.

Hopefully it’s a big enough story if it’s accurate and we’ll get a statement from Police Scotland - I won’t hold my breath though!

"Extensive enquiries have been carried out"

Sure Jan.

I think the political blogger Wings Over Scotland and several others gave his name to the police at the time.