Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

Whether he wrote it or not (are there any bits about gently plopping apricots?) it's still intended to normalise the existence of tiny "trans children" who were born that way.

If a child of four has heard over and over again, not necessarily from parents - it could have been other family members, neighbours, church community, possibly even childcare workers - that certain things are only for girls, and it's wrong and in some way disgusting and shameful for a boy to like them, I can understand him thinking, in some very simple form, 'But I like those things, does that mean I am a girl?' or 'I want to be a girl, then I can like those things and nobody will be horrible to me about it'.

Maybe, but the parents in such a case have the responsibility for parenting him and not perpetuating these toxic ideas. This is a 4 year old. Completely dependent on parents.

Sure but he's unlikely to KEEP that thought for hours, days or weeks because four year olds will think or feel something very strongly and then discard it when something else new and shiny comes into view (eg his best mate from nursery has a new football. Yay! Run out and play!)

If a child is holding an unusual conviction for years then it's being consistently enforced by the adults around him.

Jazz Jennings was put on the trans pathway by both parents at the age of 4. Because as a little boy, he liked sparkly swimsuits.
Was going fine in early to mid teens, till Jazz got a driving licence and the freedom to comfort eat burgers and fries all day. Jazz now looks like a barrel, poor kid.
Edited for spelling

I kind of wish you hadn't said barrel, I feel like it minimises Jazz's suffering.

He's on 17 different meds a day for his mental and physical problems, he can't move well, he has BED, he's anorgasmic, has tuberous breast tissue and often appears to be in pain.

Too much exogenous estrogen in males causes obesity and joint/cardiovascular issues

It was child abuse and it's wrecked him, I understand you don't mean to be rude but honesly this is a victim of severe and longterm child abuse and whilst I hate to police other peoples language, I also feel so badly for that young man.

Or what he has done?

If anyone ever wants an alternative example, am happy to write my own letter. DD believed she was trans at 13. She was clearly unhappy - a mix of lockdown, undiagnosed ADHD, a huge bust resulting in lots of sexual harassment were just some of the factors.

School wanted to change her pronouns. We told them where to put that. She got two and a half years of open ended talking therapy. She now sees herself as a lesbian. Not trans.

Or what he has done?

YES.

All of which was done in the name of entertainment and big dollars for the family. It is criminal and so hard to comprehend how so many adults; parents, tv producers, drs etc merrily abused this child. It is sickening that because of this tv show a huge explosion of very young children presenting as trans appeared.

Fair enough, but that's pretty much my point - eating disorders don't happen because someone is happy. Jazz's torso shows a similar change to that of the castrati in the opera world. Barrel shaped. It's a description, not a judgement on a kid who has been abused mentally and physically from a very early age by the people who are supposed to be the protectors. I will never blame Jazz, or the other kids in the family (Stockholm syndrome in full display) but I will, and do, blame the patents, grandparents, medical teams and absolutely 100% blame TLC for monetizing child abuse and creating what will, in a very short time I hope, be viewed with horror. A cautionary tale that sadly, I doubt anyone will really learn from. They turned castrating a child into entertainment.
Unforgiveable.

Yes and have you seen the show? His family openly mocks him for his weight and his difficulties in moving. The producers put him in situations he clearly does not have the sexual interest or social ability for eg dates with adult transwomen.

@CocoapuffPuff it's partly BED, partly estrogen-driven weight gain, partly his lack of mobility. The specific shape of his body is not so odd when you consider that he is gaining weight as a male would, ie around his middle, rather than as a female would in the breasts thighs and buttocks.

Jazz gains weight as a male because Jazz is male, with a deeply messed around endocrine system and a family who appear to be sociopaths enabled by a TV company so devoid of morals that they make dog fighting rings look like decent people.
I've seen about 15 mins of one show and the mother frightened the life out of me. That poor child didn't stand a chance. Yet Jazz is the "poster child" of the movement.

What Cocoa said. It's almost unbelievable.

I've seen the clip of Jazz's mother talking about the poor boy dilating with a load of her gal pals.

She says that he doesn't dilate properly, and if 'it' closes up, she's going to be furious; and that she wakes the poor kid up in the middle of the night and threatens to dilate him herself.

🤯

Bloody woman wants locking up! It's child abuse, and, even worse, for monetary gain.

It's a scandalous clip, I agree.

Iirc hasn't she done more than just threaten to dilate his wound herself?

No. Just threatened.

She also said that she would throttle Jazz 'if that thing closes up'

There is a distressing clip where Jazz has been examined by those freak drs. The parents are there and they're all cracking jokes. The dr say something along the lines that Jazz. Could be a porn star the way everyone's studying it. They're talking about a child who was experimented on and horrifically mutilated. I'd lock the lot of them up

I agree. The normalisation of child abuse is unbelievable.

The other clip that I found appalling was where the doctor pointed to Jazz's chest and said (creepily) the drugs did you do a favour there, and then pointed to his groin and said but apparently not there. His under developed penis not having sufficient skin to create a neo vagina.

Like it was a total surprise.

Because no one could've predicted that taking puberty blockers and stopping him developing would, you know, stop him fucking developing.

His reaction was awful to witness.

But what was truly horrific was the impression the doctor gave that they were just as surprised as him and they're all in this together, discovering these things as they go along.

No wonder WPATH witnesses have said these children can't consent. His doctors pretended that they had no fucking idea what was going to happen, just like him.

The other thing is, I'm going to predict that his ghastly family, reading the writing on the wall, and realising they will become pariahs and be blamed, are going to act all outraged and sue the medical profession for influencing them in the wrong direction.

Gotta keep that cash rolling in.

Thank you, so much, for this.

There is so much false information in that post that I felt overwhelmed with where to begin, but by the time I got to JKR's "hobby" I realised that we're dealing with someone deep in the cult weeds.

No one wants to admit they've been scammed, that's why scams work, and work over and over again on the same person. When we're trapped in a con, we make up justifications and clutch at jarring ideas that back up our own perceptions; we use phrases and slogans, rather than asking questions and listening to scientific answers and researched experience; we say 'you're a villain' rather than trying to understand the other side's point of view; we insist we're right and the voices arguing with us are out to get us; we resort to threats and compare our struggles with huge historical struggles that have gone before us.

Reasons I don't think GCs are a cult of bigotry and ignorance: GCs are constantly looking to steel-man their arguments; they listen to their trans friends and family and make constructive suggestions about they can live healthy, successful lives (like third spaces); they aren't trying to make money or build a power base, they're just trying to maintain the little protections women and children have recently managed to build.

Reasons I think TRAs are a cult: the structure of scams, the psychology of cults, the pattern of social contagion, where the money is being made, scientific research, life experience, statistics on crime and violence, listening to what trans activists say, and the figureheads of TRA being people like Jolyon Maugham.

But I'm constantly reading more across the media to see if I could be wrong.

The claim used to be 2 years. Then it was pushed to 5 years. Now it generally hovers at 10+ years.

It's already been twelve years since GIDS started authorising GnRH agonists for under-16's.

Where are all these people? The numbers should be overwhelming by now.

Some very strange claims about Jazz Jennings' endocrine system above, reminiscent of the misinformation campaign about breast growth. Do I sense a hint of the strategic direction for the attack on adult care, perhaps?

Reasons I think TRAs are a cult: the structure of scams, the psychology of cults, the pattern of social contagion, where the money is being made, scientific research, life experience, statistics on crime and violence, listening to what trans activists say, and the figureheads of TRA being people like Jolyon Maugham.

I don't think it's a true cult like, say, Scientology or Branch Davidians, because it doesn't have a clear organisational structure and figurehead. But I definitely think it has strong cultic aspects, all of which are well summarised in your paragraph above.

I would say that it has clear elements of eschatological or doomsday cults, with the focus on physical transformation or death.

Also worth saying that a lot of cults histoircally had sex trafficking and CSA either at the hidden centre of them or as a lucrative sideline. I suspect in years to come we will see more of this revealed in TRA Cultic activity.