Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

It's been said in Parliament by Lords Young (Lab) and Blencathra (Con):

"is a cult that has invaded a lot of the institutions of government and other institutions. It is not going to just lie down quietly"

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-04-17/debates/F0250D61-D285-4B3E-A14F-9E7CB3AC7820/CassReview?highlight=cult#contribution-5A06894D-22E4-46D9-A733-4D43EB39F93B

"Perhaps it was scrapping the words in the Hippocratic oath, “First do no harm”, that led to doctors neutering thousands of children, or perhaps they were captured by the ideologues of the transgender cult, led by the discredited organisation Mermaids, which advocates the cruel breast-binding of girls—it is currently under investigation by the Charity Commission, following safeguarding allegations. I exempt the courageous whistleblowers at the Tavistock who exposed this scandal and were vilified for it.

Only cult capture by the trans zealots can explain why 138 children were referred in 2010 for genuine gender dysphoria but that this had rocketed to 3,585 in 2021, as the fad for converting children from one sex to another took hold."

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-02-09/debates/DB690A34-D945-4EDA-9178-DD6357498F45/ConversionTherapyProhibition(SexualOrientationAndGenderIdentity)Bill(HL)?highlight=cult#contribution-44EC249F-CF74-45DA-B85F-C543819605BE

So I don't think we should be deleted for use of the c-word.

Thanks for this and I think he still hasnt sold the windmill...I wonder if he paid back the 500,000 he owed builders...

It's also not reality.

If you are emoting right left and centre, if you are hysterical with fear that society is out to kill you - then you are unable to think. Thinking must be the activity that TRAs fear most because a clear mind will see through the ideology in jig time.
Hysteria is catching too. TRAs keep stirring the pot to maintain it. This has caused the "decline of thinking into feeling" .

I dare say a case may be made either way as to whether of not trans ideology is a cult, but what is in no doubt whatsoever is that the leading proponents of this hatstand bollocks are an absolute shower of cults.

Dear God. Four?

Ritchie Heron has always called it a death cult.

Evangelical is the perfect description.

I wonder what Mrs Maugham thinks.

Condemnation and wrath. He must be punished and punished he shall be. So sayeth the righteous.

Repent, sinners!

Seeing the mass, performative denunciations and organised of Rosie Duffield’s recent tweet, that’s exactly what it is. Burn the heretic! They are possessed by their own righteousness.

Cognitive dissonance eventually makes people go mad. That's not just me saying this, it's a well researched topic. Put simply, you can't lie to yourself for a significant amount of time and stay psychologically integrated.

Some entirely theoretical examples include:

• Telling yourself you're doing the right thing by giving your child PBs whilst also seeing empirical evidence that PBs will harm them - and possibly also seeing your child deteriorate on the drug
• Telling yourself that the Israelis faked 7/10 and that Palestine under Hamas is a socialist liberal utopia which should absolutely be free from the river to the sea
• Telling yourself that it's absolutely fine and healthy and wholesome for kids to do drag shows and drag queens to be in schools even as you see evidence of the biggest TRA proponents being arrested for sexual assaults
• Telling yourself that women can have penises and belong in women's prisons even though you know this is a really horrible thing

And so we see the likes of JoMo, LOJ, Joanne Harris etc etc etc

Once normal, now brain-broken.

Cognitive dissonance. It kills sanity like JoMo kills foxes. Horribly, bloodily and with a baseball bat.

This has probably already been said but even if there had been an uptick in suicides since it was announced that puberty blockers would no longer be available to treat “gender dysphoria” it would not be a reason to reintroduce them. Instead there should be an awareness campaign of the known risks of using such medications and the lack of evidence of any benefit for their use. The people who want these drugs have been brainwashed for years by mermaids, WPATH and other organisations that they are safe and fully reversible. It’s going to hard to undo all the misinformation.

If the court goes against the government on this it will be absolutely tragic.

How on earth does a four year old, or indeed thier parents, know they are trans?

Four year olds think they are all sorts of things. My brother, at four went through a stage of sleeping in the dogs basket and eating its dry kibble because he wanted to be a dog.

I read lots of fairy stories and at six I was obsessed with the fact I may secretly be a princess swapped at birth 🤣

It's that saying "a trans child is like a vegan cat. You know who's driving it."

This child is living as a male. How can people say such silly things.

They have to suggest death as an outcome as it’s the only way to downplay the possibly horrific side effects.
’why do side effects in 10 years matter if they would be dead without’ etc. It’s insanity.

When I read of the incredible lack of insight, understanding and sympathy for a 4 year old child by two supposedly intelligent (but clearly self centred) people, my sympathy for young adults getting swept up by GI increases.

As does my anger and dismay that it is adults who are continuing to perpetuate and deliberately market this nonsense that children are born with a gender and that they can change sex.

The only way to live as a male is to be a male. This child has a male body. It should have been obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that while it might be possible to pretend that a little boy is actually a little girl it is absolutely impossible to pretend that a teenage boy going through puberty is actually a teenage girl.

if you have a very distressed four-year-old, who has got hold of a ludicrous idea that is worrying him to the point that he can't shake off his preoccupations and anxieties, surely the starting point is to talk to him kindly but clearly to explain that he is male, this can't be changed, but that's really not a problem. He is absolutely wonderful the way he is and there are, or shouldn't be, any rules about what you can and can't do because you're a boy. And if that doesn't work you'd seek expert help from appropriately qualified therapists and mental health professionals who could work through, ideally with the whole family, what's at the root of this and help the child come to terms with reality.

But instead these two professional people jumped to the idea of telling their child he was right, he really was born in the wrong body, so they've attempted (I wonder how successfully) to coerce all who already knew him to pretend he's now a girl and they have presumably lied to people who've met him since his social transition that he is a girl. And they've fed this poor kid with the fantasy that when puberty starts, and no doubt this has been portrayed to him as an appalling fate which he wouldn't cope with, all will be well because he can take a magic pill that will make it go away and then another magic pill that will start the process of turning him into the girl he was always meant to be, and then later the surgeons will finish the job. The complexity, long-term implications for his health, fertility and relationships, and the extremely poor success rates of all of this will not have been explained to the child at all, and how could they have been?

Criminal.

It's that saying "a trans child is like a vegan cat. You know who's driving it."

I like that.

That poor kid; 14 now. What a childhood.

This. Perfectly put.

And all the people who are expected to buy into this delusion to 'be kind' to this child and his <redacted> parents at the expense of their own sanity, boundaries and the health of the wider society.

Agreed, but also I don't think ANY four year old is capable of acquiring and holding onto an unshakeable conviction which they arrived at independently. Four year old brains simply do not work that way. They've not even fully separated their understanding of their own being from that of their parents. Theory of mind is highly limited to non existent.

Any four year old who unshakeably thinks they're the opposite sex is getting that idea from their parents. And the parents are consistently reinforcing that idea to the child.

So, yes. Child abuse.

Personally I reckon JoMo wrote this. It's got all of JoMo's writing tics and favourite tropes: 'choosing a path/road' in life, 'planning a future outside the UK' etc etc.

The clunky sentence structures are pure JoMo.

Fictional. Bite me.