Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

He has got even worse. The latest:

Graham Linehan
Maugham publishes a letter from a parent who transed their kid at age 4. Not sure he realises how most normal people would receive this.

The original tweet was not received well:

https://x.com/GoodLawProject/status/1813607897214914880

4...when they believe they're cats, dogs, horses...when they believe in Father Christmas and unicorns...when many are not dry at night. That age 4?

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm. As professionals, practicing in social work and emergency medicine, we are well-versed in informed decision-making and risk management, and we have always been careful, curious, open-minded and questioning in our approach to parenting a trans child.

You need to follow the amazing Labour Pains Blog. Obligatory for those watching the Fox Botherer's amazing grifting career, mostly built on failed cases.

Here is a link to spreadsheet up to May 2024 with income figures and list of the mostly failed cases - red for failure green, for win. He had raised 16 million till then.

https://labourpainsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-03-at-09.39.33.png

According to Labourpains JM's crowdfunding is drying up outside gender cases. People have started noticing his failure rate I guess.

What do they mean by 'living as male'? Other than stereotypes and the reality of their sexed body, what is the difference between 'living as male' and 'living as female' for a child?

All Serious Case Reviews (now renamed) are published nationally. My guess is that there are also a range of other data sources via the NHS, Coroners, local & national government sources:

Here's the national Standard Operating Procedures for child deaths:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/637f759bd3bf7f154876adbd/child-death-review-statutory-and-operational-guidance-england.pdf

Trigger warning as this section is about suspected child suicide:
Section 7.4 of the above refers to child deaths by suicide and details how the review of this should work.

It's also worth pointing out that a Coroner's decision that a death is by suicide is additionally contentious as for many families, it's understandably preferable to have a finding that a death is accidental.

I don't know if the Samaritan's guidance has already been linked but below is their media guidelines on reporting. A quick read of this shows how appallingly this man has breached them and how readily he weaponises a terrible tragedy that can happen in families for his own political ends:

www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/10-top-tips-reporting-suicide/

Are they genuinely saying they transitioned a child too young to know or to remember his sex? How is that informed consent to whatever happens next? How on earth can they justify the shock it will be when that child realises he isn't actually a girl?

God, no wonder parents head for the puberty blockers to put off the truth

That's so sad. It's like the David Reimer case, appalling that they would choose to do this to their child.

Well her biology lessons will be interesting.

Most teens learn their parents are not perfect - but imagine discovering they'd told you a whopper like that. How could you trust them again?

So that child was transed in 2014. His parents were one of the early uptakers. 'Social work and emergency medicine', Jesus Christ!

This child must have a penis, no?

unless they are kept completely isolated from society and every human being, they must know they are male.

Horrifying though it is, letters like that really highlight the utter scandal of transing children.

I'm not on Twitter, if anyone can C and P a couple of the responses, I'd be grateful. I have to hope people are seeing through this nightmare.

Thanks for that @fromorbit
That spreadsheet is quite something.

Here you go, @Datun. Lots more like this.

"As professionals, practicing in social work and emergency medicine, we are well-versed in informed decision-making and risk management, and we have always been careful, curious, open-minded and questioning in our approach to parenting a trans child."

This is appalling.

Thank you, Gasp.

It's really rather petrifying that he thinks this would be considered persuasive.

Likely causes of child death are on p36 here. I can't remember why the data is a year behind. It might be impacts from Covid but I can't remember.

12 female suicides
6 male suicides

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65bce1df7042820013752116/ChildSafeguardinggReviewPanellannualreportt2022too2023.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/child-safeguarding-practice-review-panel-annual-report-2022-to-2023

Responses are mostly from well-known GC accounts who tend to be quick off the mark replying to these type of tweets, doesn't seem to be much criticism outside of this. I suppose most normal people aren't aware of this.

548 replies. Over 190,000 views. 479 likes. Ratioed, I'd say.

Not difficult to guess, given his unfortunate but IMO not accidental choice of the ashes metaphor to make his tasteless and low point.

The rhetoric is unmistakeable, as is the Lobby's constant reference to any opposition as in 'alignment' with far right politics.

There don't seem to be any depths to which this excuse for a man won't sink.

What are the parents regulatory bodies doing about them?

Maugham publishes a letter from a parent who transed their kid at age 4

They should be prosecuted for child abuse.

Some of this stuff is appalling! Four!? That's horrific.

In answer to the OP, I had a comment removed from MN when I likened the behaviour to a cult. To me everything about these extremists behaviour is exactly the same as a cult, (especially the fury invoked when anyone suggests that's what it is) and that makes it a cult IMO

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm.

They say "It is not a reality we ... would have chosen", but they did choose it. At four, this wasn't coming from the child, it was all done by the parents.