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Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response

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Fenlandia · 14/07/2024 12:05

https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1812435914473295927

x.com

https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1812435914473295927

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SquirrelSoShiny · 16/07/2024 09:25

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:47

If you can't access it, here's an archive link:
https://archive.ph/BVk1B

This will be the most horrendous mistake.

What private therapist is going to work with anyone with gender identity concerns? Work with them = risk of malicious reporting to professional organisation if non-affirming BUT risk of 'regret malpractice claim' in 5 years time if gender-affirming. Therapists of every stripe will drop gender-questionning individuals like hot potatoes.

The NHS is so overstretched they can just kick the can down the road for a year or two. Private therapists have been plugging the gaps. A lot of private therapists already swerve working with children because of the legal complexities so essentially this will leave some very fearful and desperate young people with zero access to support.

Don't be a fool Keir Starmer! You're smarter than this surely!

Slothtoes · 16/07/2024 09:33

These men angrily insisting that children must be burdened with what could be a lifelong cost to their health and sexual/reproductive function.

Grown men screaming that kids must be made into future adults who have pre pubertal bodies (but are aged over legal age of consent) apparently with a risk of cognitive compromise from those powerful drugs.

There’s something very wrong with any adult urge to see other people’s lives made so vulnerable.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/07/2024 09:41

Good ol' foxphobe, standing up for and speaking out for the 'voiceless community' that only has the world wide medical establishment, EU, Stonewall, the WHO, Margaret Atwood, and...erm...Judith Butler. He's forgotten a few, current president of the US, Canada, the Green Party, the SNP, the Lib-Dems, most Unions, etc. But I expect he didn't want to pay the extra that would let him write longer tweets.

Wow, Jo! You're really sticking your neck out.

Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 09:42

Valdor · 16/07/2024 09:15

Good sign not bad. Their default would have been negative coverage of it. No coverage is a win.

Doesn't that just keep people in ignorance that an issue exists at all? It's supposed to be a public service broadcaster, not a newsletter for the drag queen community.

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Valdor · 16/07/2024 09:44

Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 09:42

Doesn't that just keep people in ignorance that an issue exists at all? It's supposed to be a public service broadcaster, not a newsletter for the drag queen community.

I think it’s a major win to have a captured broadcaster not report this as an attack on trans rights. Given the state of the BBC this is good. It doesn’t need coverage, it just needs doing. Which they are :)

NecessaryScene · 16/07/2024 09:45

Good ol' foxphobe, standing up for and speaking out for the 'voiceless community' that only has the world wide medical establishment, EU, Stonewall, the WHO, Margaret Atwood, and...erm...Judith Butler.

Wow. The semicolon is more powerful than I thought - it can cause total brain disconnect between the things it separates.

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:49

There’s something very wrong with any adult urge to see other people’s lives made so vulnerable.

It's horrific. A safeguarding nightmare.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/07/2024 09:57

I didn't notice the semi-colon. Now I'm confused. Is it him, Stonewall, MA and JB against the world? I hope he reads my previous post, the allies he didn't include. Bless him. He and his 'voiceless community' might feel a little less voiceless. Hopefully, he might shut up for a bit. Go on Jo. Take a day off.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/07/2024 10:21

Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/07/16/wes-streeting-suffer-unhinged-abuse-protecting-children/

https://archive.ph/SmOh0 paywall bypass

Good article, although imo she underplayed the negative effects of testosterone on female bodies.

Signalbox · 16/07/2024 10:45

endofthelinefinally · 16/07/2024 08:34

When you cannot do a clinical trial for reasons of ethics or children, you do a retrospective audit using the data collected by the institution giving experimental treatment. For example the use of low molecular weight heparin in pregnancy to prevent clots.
The Tavistock deliberately failed to keep data.
This whole thing has been very well planned and orchestrated.

I think this is a really good point. The Tavistock had free rein for years to experiment on children. Why on earth is there no data? There should be no new study without a serious analysis of the data that already exists (that must exist within patients’ medical records)

Slothtoes · 16/07/2024 10:54

There may be an attendant scandal of being allowed to change sex markers in medical records so the unpicking needed to follow up retrospectively might not always be straightforward.

RoyalCorgi · 16/07/2024 11:05

Suzanne's Telegraph piece is very good.

There has been a lot of argument about the evidence for and against puberty blockers, and whether Cass reviewed the evidence properly, or ignored it. And while I agree that the anti-Cass activists are deranged idiots who don't understand science, I don't even think this issue should be primarily about the evidence. Anyone who is a decent human being can grasp instantly that giving children drugs that halt puberty is morally wrong. An adult who wants to stop children going through puberty is seriously depraved. Trying to reason with these people by explaining evidence to them is pointless - they completely lack a functioning moral compass.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 16/07/2024 11:09

One of the main things undermining the PBs to kids like Smarties approach, is that they halt growth which is required for SRS. I know no one we need to get to about this, cares about girls, but when you present men with the facts of having a micro penis that cannot be used for a neo vagina, they tend to gulp and have a bit of a think.

It's good she got that in there.

endofthelinefinally · 16/07/2024 12:03

MsGrumpytrousers · 16/07/2024 08:38

Do you really think it was deliberate? The impression I get is of a place that was utterly chaotic and incredibly badly managed. And by the end staff were ridiculously overworked.

Yes I do. Anyone with a medical/ nursing/ social work/ any other profession knows from day one the importance of keeping accurate written or electronic records AND regular audit of those records. It has to be deliberate. Audit is king in the nhs. I know people don't like it but it is required as part of patient safety.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/07/2024 12:47

endofthelinefinally · 16/07/2024 12:03

Yes I do. Anyone with a medical/ nursing/ social work/ any other profession knows from day one the importance of keeping accurate written or electronic records AND regular audit of those records. It has to be deliberate. Audit is king in the nhs. I know people don't like it but it is required as part of patient safety.

Hard agree. Remember the adult trans centres who had to be instructed to share data with Cass? Why were they keeping it hidden? Because the data is dynamite and demonstrates the harm being done to these young people.

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2024 13:33

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:14

The bbc are in part culpable for the backlash by not reporting on this with their health correspondent.

The today programme only mentioned it because they were doing a piece on the shocking levels of threats to MPs and candidates during the election campaign, some being told attending hustings was not safe.

They linked to a piece in the Mail by Maya about the death threats Wes is getting - they are sounding as bad as those Rosie has had. He read out a few awful ones and countered that the decision was based on a medical science review (Cass) showing lack of evidence.

The bbc are being woefully inadequate here. As is KS. He needs to show some leadership.

In fairness to the BBC they did lead this with Hannah Barnes and Newsnight.

Hannah Barnes spoke of the battle she had getting the BBC to take the story.

Then most of the decent Newsnight staff quit as it became Newsnight Lite.

And since then the story has disappeared.

Without the BBC and Hannah Barnes I don't think we would be where we are now either.

Ironic isn't it. But it does suggest there has been a gradual forcing out.

IwantToRetire · 16/07/2024 17:03

re BBC - as a news outlet it is obviously grossly unprofessional.

ie a new minister has made an announcement. they just have to report that fact.

It makes me wonder whether all those "I've been reporting the news since we used semiphore" are sitting rigid in their staff chairs whilst some young "representative of the most oppressed community" is running round the news room in their rainbow boots having a complete meltdown because it would be "literal violence" to even mention something as anti trans as this and threatening to lie down on the floor and scream, and scream and scream ....

It is just unjustifiable. They have reported a new health initiative in the NE for women, and yet they cant / haven't reported a statement from the new Health Minister.

They are making themselves idiotic.

CorruptedCauldron · 16/07/2024 17:53

Good article here - not sure it’s been shared already:

thecritic.co.uk/the-bbc-can-be-a-drag/

CorruptedCauldron · 16/07/2024 17:56

This last section of the article linked above is particularly interesting:
^^
The corporation’s obsession with drag is bait in the apparently “confected” culture wars. Gushing stories about drag allow the BBC to push gender ideology without explicitly stating the activist mantra that “puberty blockers save lives”. Wes Streeting can be cast as a baddie for seeking to implement the Cass Review without a journalist committing a single word to the page in their own name; all they need to do is to report on the half-baked thoughts of drag queens. And this is done by presenting a tough story about politics and health as instead a touchy-feely tale of community and human interest. In this way drag allows trans activist talking points to be snuck onto broadcasts and written into articles.
The BBC’s coverage of the puberty blocker scandal has all the characteristics of drag; the corporation’s journalists are taking part in a tawdry and offensive charade.

duc748 · 16/07/2024 17:58

Well said that woman!

endofthelinefinally · 16/07/2024 21:37

GiveMeSpanakopita · 15/07/2024 17:25

I'm struggling to think what other medical situation is ideologically based bar some religious beliefs which request no medical intervention.

Circumcision and FGM are the only ones I can think of (if you class religious/cultural beliefs alongside ideologies). And that horrible surgery which apparently promises to create a new hymen.

Remember that poor doctor who was prosecuted for repairing the mutilated, torn vulva of a woman who had given birth, without any care, following previous fgm. It was the only way he could stop the bleeding and fix what damage he could.
Yet these TRAs are demanding the sterilisation and mutilation of children. As for Peter Tatchell, I have run out of words about him.

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2024 08:08

Dennis Noel Kavanagh
Please notice how silent Stonewall have been over the Puberty Blockers furore. Not one press statement.

Watch them closely, this is an opponent silently recalibrating.

Mollyollydolly · 17/07/2024 11:13

He's completely insane. Proof of the Helen Joyce law. He seriously needs banning from twitter. This is cult, unhinged stuff.

Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
ShillingForLabour · 17/07/2024 11:18

Mollyollydolly · 17/07/2024 11:13

He's completely insane. Proof of the Helen Joyce law. He seriously needs banning from twitter. This is cult, unhinged stuff.

That is so awful. Imagine goading young people to take their own lives and goading their parents to tip their ashes outside #10. The idea that parents would care so little about their own child that they would use their ashes as a protest. It suggests to me someone who doesn’t understand normal loving family relationships. Who doesn’t share that feeling that is normal for parents to have towards their own children. It’s disturbing.

duc748 · 17/07/2024 11:20

He's completely lost it, hasn't he? Absolutely no self-recognition at all.