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Telegraph: Labour moves to ban puberty blockers permanently

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:17

Wes is getting it in the neck online from the TRAs. He should stand firm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/

"A ban on puberty blockers could be made permanentt_ as the Labour party takes a harder stance on transgender issues, The Telegraph can reveal.
Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, intends to stop powerful hormone blockerss_ being given to children via any means, subject to the outcome of a legal hearing.
Laws to ban the blockers being supplied to children by private or off-shore clinics were passed by his predecessor, Victoria Atkins, in emergency legislation ahead of the general election.
These are due to expire on Sept 3 and the new Government has to decide whether to pass a law to make it permanent.._
It is understood that Labour will now seek to renew the ban with a view to making it permanent."

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SquirrelSoShiny · 13/07/2024 17:42

spannasaurus · 13/07/2024 16:42

@Madcats not a dream

To be honest I hope the utterly insane hyperbole shows them up for the utter fools they are.

Labour really needs to hold the line here. History will judge them on their ability to face down the cry bullies and protect children by offering evidence based treatment, not ideological.

WickedSerious · 13/07/2024 17:44

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2024 12:58

If incels wants to leave the country and find a better life somewhere, I will wish them good luck.

I have a kayak that hasn't been used for almost twenty years,I'm sure it's still seaworthy though.
if any of them are interested.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/07/2024 17:55

spannasaurus · 13/07/2024 16:42

@Madcats not a dream

This is just flat out mental. 🤣🤣🤣

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/07/2024 17:57

Oops I was referring to this with my last post.
The screen shot about helping people to leave the country.

Omlettes · 13/07/2024 17:59

WickedSerious · 13/07/2024 17:44

I have a kayak that hasn't been used for almost twenty years,I'm sure it's still seaworthy though.
if any of them are interested.

Well if they're not, I definitely am, just for a paddle mind😶

Omlettes · 13/07/2024 18:01

Marmaladelover · 13/07/2024 13:29

I actually wrote to Wes Streeting the day after the election. He is not my MP but I wanted to thank him for what he had done recently . And for admitting he had been wrong in the past . That takes courage , i told him he now had the respect of millions like me and not to worry about his reduced majority.

I did exactly the same thing!
Its a good move to encourage them.

Madcats · 13/07/2024 18:12

Incoming... Zarah Sultana throwing toys out if pram on X...duck

The Labour Party Conference is going to be interesting (or will the angry ones have all defected to LibDems or Greens by next weekend)?

Totallymessed · 13/07/2024 18:42

OldCrone · 13/07/2024 13:29

But transactivist communities might try to scupper that by teaching children how to lie to their doctors.

They've already been doing that. Mermaids would coach children on what to say to the doctors at GIDS.

Yes, when I look at the trans subreddits, this happens all the time. They're not even subtle about it, just say- you must lie, and this is what you need to tell the doctors to get what you want.

Totallymessed · 13/07/2024 18:57

My MP is Karin Smyth- does anyone think it would it be worth writing to her?

WickedSerious · 13/07/2024 19:21

Omlettes · 13/07/2024 17:59

Well if they're not, I definitely am, just for a paddle mind😶

Indeed,you wouldn't want to wash up in Cork.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 13/07/2024 19:33

Totallymessed · 13/07/2024 18:57

My MP is Karin Smyth- does anyone think it would it be worth writing to her?

I think it’s a good idea.

Totallymessed · 13/07/2024 19:44

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 13/07/2024 19:33

I think it’s a good idea.

Yes, I imagine she will be getting a lot of abuse from the TRAs for not toeing the line as she should , maybe she would appreciate some support.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 13/07/2024 19:48

Nothing on this from Stonewall, Mermaids and co.

So maybe the suspicion that it's women who will suffer as a trade off, has legs.

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Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

borntobequiet · 13/07/2024 20:06

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

This is utterly untrue, as you surely must know.

mrshoho · 13/07/2024 20:10

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

Where did you grow up? The soviet union?

KohlaParasaurus · 13/07/2024 20:11

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

Where was this? It certainly wasn't the case in the UK. In the 1990s we just about had enough confidence in these newfangled GnRH analogues to use them for a few months at a time in a very few situations in adult gynaecology and they weren't given to reduce height growth in girls; nor was normal tallness in girls regarded as a problem to be medicalised.

RainWithSunnySpells · 13/07/2024 20:12

Has Myel even been attacked by bees I wonder?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/07/2024 20:13

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

😂
You can't post nonsense like this on here and expect to get away with it! This is a board full of women who professionally and personally have researched all this for years.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 13/07/2024 20:23

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Wonder if we've got a celeb visitor

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OvaHere · 13/07/2024 20:25

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:02

No skin in this game but I knew multiple girls on these things at school in the 90s. At least three of the tallest girls in the year were. Afaik they were in common use because they helped keep girls 'feminine' ie small. I know at least two of those girls are mothers now, they all developed normally with no issues.

there clearly is long term evidence on them. Seems weird to me we're making a fuss about them being used to help give teens time to figure themselves out before rushing into something like surgery when we weren't fussed about them being used to keep women small.

Lupron is used in precocious puberty with the aim of allowing girls to grow taller not making them smaller. Bones fuse at puberty so height becomes fixed. I don't know what these girls at your school were taking but it was unlikely to be puberty blockers.

However it's true that tall girls were experimented on since approx 1950s (and short boys too) until the FDA finally put an end to it. Some terrible things happened because of it including awful implications for the pregnancies these girls went on to carry and numerous cancers. It's not the great example you think it is.

I recommend reading this book.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Normal-Any-Cost-Industrys-Manipulate/dp/1585426830

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/07/2024 20:26

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 13/07/2024 20:23

There's no doubt that FWR attracts all sorts 😁

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/07/2024 20:27

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 13/07/2024 20:23

"Loads of girls at my school were on them."

Sure, Jam.

SidewaysOtter · 13/07/2024 20:31

spannasaurus · 13/07/2024 16:42

@Madcats not a dream

The idea that - on a safety for trans people level - the UK is on a par with Saudi Arabia is so utterly bonkers I hardly know where to start.

Either these people are deluded to the point of needing clinical help or they just enjoy the drama.

Mayel · 13/07/2024 20:31

No, this was the U.K. - one of them was a close friend. It's not nonsense, I've actually spoken to her about it recently as I wasn't sure if it was the same treatment. Definitely was the same stuff according to her.

no idea if it was common on the nhs, hers came private and I went to a fee paying school but it was certainly common. It was known as treating 'height as an infliction'.

very weird to suggest I'd imagine something that actually happened but you do you I guess.