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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post

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woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 08/07/2024 18:14

Fantsatstic news, Christina Dalcher has sucessfully managed to get this TRA fired from their job at Waterstones for X comment.

https://x.com/TillyLovesBooks/status/1810337926850445453?t=WABH0ieBQdnUtaQL5FVlyQ&s=19

Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post
Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post
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Kai125 · 08/07/2024 20:24

DeepGreenLeaves · 08/07/2024 19:55

I couldn't work out what had happened from the OP, so I clicked through onto Tilly's post. My phone started (silently, thank goodness) playing her weepy poor-me video. I mean... Who does that? I feel like I don't need to know anything more about this woman. When did it become normal to film yourself making a weepy sad-face speech and broadcast it to the world? She looks to be a grown adult... How does she go about life, thinking that is a normal way to carry on?

/Missing the point

Same!

But mine wasn't on silent! Lasted 3 seconds of her pathetic acting then had to close it down.

Like you said 3 seconds was enough to know everything about her!

DuesToTheDirt · 08/07/2024 20:26

Like several others, I don't think it's anything to do with Waterstones being GC. Having a staff member censoring books for disagreeing with the author is terrible publicity.

carofrancelynch · 08/07/2024 20:29

Good for Waterstones. Absolutely right that a member of staff should be sacked for saying she is going to destroy their property. Quite disturbing to watch that video though, she genuinely thinks she has done nothing wrong other than 'stand up for trans people' which as we know covers a multitude of sins including bullying and harassing women and being as nasty, spiteful and vindictive as you think you can get away with. She'd happily see GC women lose their jobs but can't hack it when she's held accountable for her own behaviour.

I see the TRAs out in force on Twitter saying that a 'TERF' got Tilly sacked. No, Tilly got Tilly sacked for writing something stupid and unprofessional.

BezMills · 08/07/2024 20:30

Publishing a statement saying you are going to destroy company property is gross misconduct in any job ever. Boo fuckin hoo, don't be so fuckin stupid next time.

StellaGreen · 08/07/2024 20:30

Not heard of this author before.
I’ll be sure to swing by Waterstones tomorrow a grab a copy.

BreadInCaptivity · 08/07/2024 20:33

Oh the irony.....

  • Loves books but only by authors she deems acceptable
  • Loves books but happy to bin them
  • Can't fathom the impact of expressing personal beliefs on SM
  • loves reading but presumably failed to read the corporate SM policy

Essentially she brought her employer into a discussion about her personal views.

She had no right to do that irrespective of the subject.

TinkerTiger · 08/07/2024 20:34

DoIWantTo · 08/07/2024 19:39

@RufustheFactualReindeer shes not said anything transphobic, she’s just publicly gender critical. Believing in biological sex is now classified as being transphobic in the eyes of the TRAs

I love (hate) how biology has to be branded as a 'belief' 🥲

MumblesParty · 08/07/2024 20:35

I can’t believe she thought it was OK to say what she said. It would be like someone working in a clothes shop saying they were going to destroy all the dresses on the racks by a designer they don’t like.

Her job was to sell books, not review them and decide whether they should be on the shelves or in the bin.

thestudio · 08/07/2024 20:35

Hmm. I think she was referring to her own copies of Christina's books, and I can't see where she's threatened to make sure no-one else reads them (either by hiding or not ordering or commissioning them?)

So while I'm pleased that a TRA has finally FAFO'd, and as enraging as her lack of self-awareness is, I'm a bit shocked that they've sacked her for that one tweet about tearing up the books if I'm honest.

FrancescaContini · 08/07/2024 20:37

Oh Tilly, Tilly
You’re so silly

Well done, Waterstones!

Melroses · 08/07/2024 20:39

I'm a bit shocked that they've sacked her for that one tweet about tearing up the books if I'm honest.

Me too - it usually takes more than that to be sacked. However, that is between Tilly and her ex-employers.

Anyway, I am glad that Waterstones see their job as selling books, because I was beginning to wonder with all the book hiding that seemed to have been going on in the past 🥳

DuesToTheDirt · 08/07/2024 20:42

Why are TRAs so weepy? Confused

Screamingabdabz · 08/07/2024 20:45

DuesToTheDirt · 08/07/2024 20:42

Why are TRAs so weepy? Confused

They are damaged.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/07/2024 20:46

Cognitive dissonance. I believe it really stings.

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 20:50

thestudio · 08/07/2024 20:35

Hmm. I think she was referring to her own copies of Christina's books, and I can't see where she's threatened to make sure no-one else reads them (either by hiding or not ordering or commissioning them?)

So while I'm pleased that a TRA has finally FAFO'd, and as enraging as her lack of self-awareness is, I'm a bit shocked that they've sacked her for that one tweet about tearing up the books if I'm honest.

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yeah, employee boasts on social media about destroying company property and company sacks them. Its a real puzzler, for sure.

motheronthedancefloor · 08/07/2024 20:50

haven't seen the video, is she begging for a crowd fund legal help or something?

thestudio · 08/07/2024 20:57

lonelywater · 08/07/2024 20:50

yeah, employee boasts on social media about destroying company property and company sacks them. Its a real puzzler, for sure.

That's my point - it's not at all clear that she's boasting about destroying company property. To me, she seemed to be talking about her own possessions.

No need to be so mardy.

zibzibara · 08/07/2024 21:00

I wonder if Waterstones had been looking for an excuse to get rid of her for a while. It's odd for someone to get fired just for tweeting something like that.

Like depending how you read it, it could be considered just a scathing retort, the type you see all the time on social media, rather than a genuine intention to destroy books.

Maybe there's more to this than we can see publicly?

YouJustDoYou · 08/07/2024 21:00

lechiffre55 · 08/07/2024 18:50

"People should see the impact their actions have on others"
Like the impact you wanted to have on others?

"because of the actions of a really hatefull person" yep you. You did this.

The hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is off the charts. Perhaps some time to reflect will benefit her. There seems to be a lot of measuring comparing language in that woe is me. Upset the author had enough sway, guessing how many followers the author had, comparing that to how many books she thinks she's sold. Seems very mercenary and bean county in determining a person's worth. Judge not lest ye be judged too.

Oh, but they are ALL this insanely hypocritcal.

YouJustDoYou · 08/07/2024 21:00

DuesToTheDirt · 08/07/2024 20:42

Why are TRAs so weepy? Confused

Hypocrites tends to be quite fragile.

Justme56 · 08/07/2024 21:01

I think if you find the thread SEEN in publishing on MN it gives some background on how this all started ( I think). I don't know enough about this person but I guess she jumped on the let’s all be as nasty as possible about all those you authors who believe sex is real and important (as several in publishing did) and got caught out.

thestudio · 08/07/2024 21:02

Screamingabdabz · 08/07/2024 20:45

They are damaged.

I think this is true - or rather, they are underdeveloped, childish in its first sense. There's a kind of Lord of the Flies-ness about them, the weepiness of the little ones combined with the vicious pitilessness of the older ones.

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 08/07/2024 21:04

I've been watching this on X for the past couple of hours. At the moment there are a lot of people complaining that "a GC author got a trans ally fired" (paraphrasing for brevity).

There are also people pointing out that the author didn't get anyone fired. Waterstones fired someone, presumably for being in breach of their social media policy.

What seems odd to me is that she has been fired for this. It seems more of a slapped wrist/apologise/don't do it again type of issue. So there is presumably something else going on - i.e. was she already on a final warning? Was there something about her response when Waterstones raised the issue with her that made it more serious? Etc etc etc

I would be high and dry if I lost my job, and I am in no way celebrating this woman losing hers.

I do think that more people need to understand that (1) calling someone a bigot is now less likely to result in them losing their job if all they are doing is saying that sex exists (and if they do lose their job, they will probably win their tribunal), and, (2) harassing someone, online or otherwise, may result in losing your own job, even if you are a vocal trans ally.

thestudio · 08/07/2024 21:05

YouJustDoYou · 08/07/2024 21:00

Hypocrites tends to be quite fragile.

Actually yes this is it too - they know in their hearts that they have been as bad if not worse, and the narcissist in them all thinks 'cry to distract'.

But I also think that the realisation of what cunts they are, however brief before they bounce back, wounds their ego, and they cry because they're ashamed.

FrancescaContini · 08/07/2024 21:06

Definitely “cry to distract”

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