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Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

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WandsOut · 04/07/2024 18:06

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html

Story still unfolding in the news

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MrsWhattery · 19/08/2024 07:25

What I once saw in him as virtue was really a hubristic self righteous smokescreen.

That perfectly describes so many lefty men! Gender ideology has helped a lot of them out of the woodwork. To the extent that I’m now actively wary of virtue-signalling, supposedly feminist ally men.

Poettree · 19/08/2024 07:26

If it is Edendale it's lame in the extreme. Would love to know how much money he's throwing at this 'PR strategy'.

MrsWhattery · 19/08/2024 07:29

I wonder if PR advisors have told him he should be addressing it publicly and he’s refusing so they’re running out of stuff to do. He can’t really move on while just not saying anything.

MrsWhattery · 19/08/2024 07:32

(Not suggesting he has any right to move on IYSWIM, but it’s what tends to happen. At his age and level of wealth I think he should apologise, be humble, lie low and focus on being as decent a dad as possible.)

notathenabutcassandra · 19/08/2024 07:57

MrsWhattery · 19/08/2024 07:29

I wonder if PR advisors have told him he should be addressing it publicly and he’s refusing so they’re running out of stuff to do. He can’t really move on while just not saying anything.

I suspect Edendale are extremely frustrated at this stage. His arrogance (and, I suspect, lies about the true nature of the whole situation) means they've been unable to manage the situation the way they usually would (see previous clients). He's made them look bad - the inconsistencies mean the fandom has kept the story alive in places they can't control.

VictorianBigot · 19/08/2024 12:44

When I saw the Redemption thread on neiluncovered, I couldn’t help but wonder if it was posted by his PR company fishing for ideas on what to say in his elusive statement.

Villagetoraiseachild · 19/08/2024 13:34

VictorianBigot · 19/08/2024 12:44

When I saw the Redemption thread on neiluncovered, I couldn’t help but wonder if it was posted by his PR company fishing for ideas on what to say in his elusive statement.

Or fishing for feedback.

I've been thinking about Clarissa Pinkola Estes and her writing in Women Who Run about the Bluebeard story and her consideration on how and in which ways redemption is possible for transgressors.
Looking forward to reading it again.

StainlessSteelMouse · 19/08/2024 13:37

VictorianBigot · 19/08/2024 12:44

When I saw the Redemption thread on neiluncovered, I couldn’t help but wonder if it was posted by his PR company fishing for ideas on what to say in his elusive statement.

Not impossible. I don't think his problem is with his peers. And given how valuable his IPs are, lots of people in publishing will overlook his behaviour if he can cook up a vaguely plausible account of these encounters being consensual.

The big unknowable is the fandom. Think of his specific appeal to damaged and vulnerable young people, and how they'll react to him being unmasked as... basically the villain in a Neil Gaiman story.

But I'm quite cautious about that because we've seen with JKR that the noisy Extremely Online part of the HP fandom is not very representative of the HP fandom. That's something his handlers will be thinking about.

notathenabutcassandra · 19/08/2024 16:58

Villagetoraiseachild · 19/08/2024 13:34

Or fishing for feedback.

I've been thinking about Clarissa Pinkola Estes and her writing in Women Who Run about the Bluebeard story and her consideration on how and in which ways redemption is possible for transgressors.
Looking forward to reading it again.

My favourite book!

notathenabutcassandra · 19/08/2024 16:58

StainlessSteelMouse · 19/08/2024 13:37

Not impossible. I don't think his problem is with his peers. And given how valuable his IPs are, lots of people in publishing will overlook his behaviour if he can cook up a vaguely plausible account of these encounters being consensual.

The big unknowable is the fandom. Think of his specific appeal to damaged and vulnerable young people, and how they'll react to him being unmasked as... basically the villain in a Neil Gaiman story.

But I'm quite cautious about that because we've seen with JKR that the noisy Extremely Online part of the HP fandom is not very representative of the HP fandom. That's something his handlers will be thinking about.

Just look at David Walliams’ publishers…

notathenabutcassandra · 19/08/2024 21:50

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teawamutu · 20/08/2024 08:38

MrsWhattery · 19/08/2024 07:25

What I once saw in him as virtue was really a hubristic self righteous smokescreen.

That perfectly describes so many lefty men! Gender ideology has helped a lot of them out of the woodwork. To the extent that I’m now actively wary of virtue-signalling, supposedly feminist ally men.

A wokescreen, if you will?

notathenabutcassandra · 20/08/2024 15:23

fandompulse.substack.com/p/neil-gaiman-accused-of-hiring-pr

Dervel · 20/08/2024 16:21

teawamutu · 20/08/2024 08:38

A wokescreen, if you will?

I think that’s GENIUS!

notathenabutcassandra · 20/08/2024 21:44

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YellowAsteroid · 20/08/2024 23:45

"Wokescreen" hits the mark beautifully.

I can remember at university in the 70s & 80s, realising that men who said they were "feminists" were using it to hot on me, and they were usually the most narcissistic and self-centred men around. The hippies were the worst.

I came to the conclusion that I'd rather deal with a bit of socialised/conditioned mild male sexism, than the holier than thou mansplaining "male feminist."

WandsOut · 21/08/2024 08:11

No one should be adapting Ocean at the End of the Lane at this point.

comicbook.com/movies/news/coraline-director-has-disappointing-update-on-planned-neil-gaiman-adaptation/

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WandsOut · 21/08/2024 08:17

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So is that a total of six women now?

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notathenabutcassandra · 21/08/2024 08:18

teawamutu · 20/08/2024 08:38

A wokescreen, if you will?

Wokescreen is 👩‍🍳😘👌

IBelieveInFerries · 21/08/2024 18:21

I am unashamedly keeping this thread 'live'.

According to reddit, in May, June and July there was also a massive uptick in the number of new contributors in a NG Facebook group. The inference being his PR company used bots after they new about the allegations and before they were published.

According to Reddit, this timeframe is also when he started to say he had ASD. I have a look back and that was in March 2024.

What a plonker.

IBelieveInFerries · 21/08/2024 18:23

I wonder how he is coping without the adoration of his fans. Badly, I hope.

hihelenhi · 21/08/2024 20:46

IBelieveInFerries · 21/08/2024 18:21

I am unashamedly keeping this thread 'live'.

According to reddit, in May, June and July there was also a massive uptick in the number of new contributors in a NG Facebook group. The inference being his PR company used bots after they new about the allegations and before they were published.

According to Reddit, this timeframe is also when he started to say he had ASD. I have a look back and that was in March 2024.

What a plonker.

Me too. I hope we won't "let it lie" and I don't think those Redditors (who hate us, but never mind) will either.

Good. Especially good that he's lost kudos with his pool of 'adoring fans'. Sure, some don't care. But many do.

MaidOfAle · 21/08/2024 22:46

IBelieveInFerries · 21/08/2024 18:21

I am unashamedly keeping this thread 'live'.

According to reddit, in May, June and July there was also a massive uptick in the number of new contributors in a NG Facebook group. The inference being his PR company used bots after they new about the allegations and before they were published.

According to Reddit, this timeframe is also when he started to say he had ASD. I have a look back and that was in March 2024.

What a plonker.

According to Reddit, this timeframe is also when he started to say he had ASD.

Autism doesn't stop someone from understanding that "yes" means nothing if you are in a situation in which you can't safely say "no". The millions of autistic women worldwide aren't going around committing sexual assaults.

It is harmful to autistic people, especially autistic women, to try to use autism as an excuse for sexual assault. Autistic women have a 90% lifetime chance of being sexually assaulted. We are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators and NG has no right throwing us under the bus like this.

notathenabutcassandra · 21/08/2024 23:27

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AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 22/08/2024 00:17

MaidOfAle · 21/08/2024 22:46

According to Reddit, this timeframe is also when he started to say he had ASD.

Autism doesn't stop someone from understanding that "yes" means nothing if you are in a situation in which you can't safely say "no". The millions of autistic women worldwide aren't going around committing sexual assaults.

It is harmful to autistic people, especially autistic women, to try to use autism as an excuse for sexual assault. Autistic women have a 90% lifetime chance of being sexually assaulted. We are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators and NG has no right throwing us under the bus like this.

Every word of this.

I was diagnosed with ASD in my teens, and this far I have managed not to sexually assault anyone.

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