Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

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www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html

Story still unfolding in the news

Sorry to hear that Victorian

"I didn't like it, but I thought that was my problem and carried on as normal."

I feel that's the heart of it, isn't it? You think on some level you're not really expected to like it.

Girls and women are taught that to be raped is a compliment. It's evidence that a female has achieved the highest possible status offered in a patriarchal culture - worthy of being fuckable.

So we are given lots of subtle messages for years that male attention is a prize we must be willing to debase ourselves for, lest we risk the worst of outcomes - social approbation, spinsterhood, negation as an unworthy target for male desire.

Plus, denial. Plus, it may be safer overall to pretend nothing bad happened.

This got lost amidst the off topic stuff.

Which off topic stuff? Women talking about their experience of rape and sexual assault? Gosh, sorry to have caused you a few extra moments of scrolling while we try to support one another about life-changing violence that was enacted upon us.

Women talking about rape is about as on topic as I can imagine.

Women talking about how we didn't call it "rape" at the time is absolutely on topic.

Cor

JB does NOT like Laurie Penney much does she.

although if she’s right and Penney is one of the women who chose to give some sort of weird sexual reference then the hypocrisy is indeed off the charts

just because some women consented to be subjected to the kind of treatment this man likes to mete out to his sexual partners it says nothing about what other women have consented to

Mmm yes, what a man has to say is definitely what I’d choose to amplify

deary deary me

If you are talking about the ‘Douglas is cancelled’ show, there’s a whole web spinning back to Neil Gaiman. It must be very unsettling particularly for Moffat, Gillan and Kingston.

JB does NOT like Laurie Penney much does she.

I’m not sure the other Julie does either.

The 'sexual references' from other women are super weird. What could you even say, except, 'well, he's never tried to rape me'? If you were absolutely convinced that he would never try to rape anyone, surely you wouldn't need to be anonymous? You'd say, "I believe NG 100% and consider these to be malicious rumours." You'd surely have to be that confident to make a statement? I can think of two men in my life who I would be 100% confident about - my dad and one of my brothers.

I think whoever these women are, they are hoping to be able to play both sides. (I think one of them is NG's current main girlfriend? Not sure.) Keep in with NG and then if he seems to be falling out of favour, switch sides. You can't do that if you give your name.

If one of them is his current girlfriend, then I imagine she has very little choice but to support him.

But Laurie has a top hat on! And dyed hair! She can’t be boring old straight! she’s far too interesting and special!

both JBs are women who have truly transgressed societal expectations. Penney’s ridiculous posturing must be like watching a child proudly displaying the contents of her potty

God, I love Julie Burchill!

Julie Bindel is on raging good form in that Substack article, isn't she @RoyalCorgi ? I subscribe and I thought that article alone was my money's worth for the year!

Interesting that he's not alone in staying silent. No-one stepping up to defend him, either...

Ah, Laurie Penny. Remember when she turned up here?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244928-Laurie-Pennys-Mirror-World

Crikey that one passed me by at the time

Penney posted on the thread: As far as I’m concerned, ‘woman’ is a political category based on many things, most importantly but not exclusively the material reality of reproductive difference

you’ve really got to wonder how someone capable of believing such utter bollocks managed to get dressed and out of the house each day

Blooming eck, Eresh.

'I would be concerned myself if the things being discussed here- lesbians being forced into having sex with anyone they don’t want to, denial of the material basis of women’s oppression, attempts to prey on vulnerable women in safe spaces- were actually happening. As far as my research as well as personal experience has taken me, they simply aren’t.'

See no evil, eh?

She is!

I’m just boggled by someone who could go

‘locking women up in prison with men if said men are wearing frocks and eyeshadow? I can literally see no risks to that so let’s give it a whirl!’

it shows a chronic lack of empathy, curiosity and plain old common sense. She’s just in another world

And this was before the Wii Spa incident - when presented with clear evidence that a sexual predator was in a women's changing room and that a small child was present she said that that the mother should have told the child it was rude to stare at the naked man.

Neil Gaimen books seem to be going cheap on Bookbub etc at the moment. It may be confirmation bias of course.

it shows a chronic lack of empathy, curiosity and plain old common sense. She’s just in another world

Nice of her to turn up to prove the OP right, really.

@RoyalCorgi

"Laurie, I have a 15 year old daughter. If she was in a woman's changing room and someone with a penis came in and took all their clothes off near her, how do you think she would feel and what would you advise her to do?"

"How am I supposed to know how she would feel? I haven't met your daughter, and I'm not her parent.
But I'd advise her not to stare at other people's genitals without their permission, because it's rude."
9:28 AM • Jun 29, 2021