Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets

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It's a headline in the Telegraph. Unfortunately when I archive it it goes to an article about that twat Ashworth refusing to answer. So, I've screenshot the headline

Some interesting reposnses to JKR's response to Starmer:

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1808054993527685604

Starmer's last minute tossing of an opinion isn't convincing, but it is something to use once Labour are in power.

If that is his stated belief/position/opinion, we are going to bloody well hold Labour to ensuring that women do have their rights upheld as he's described.

Who will be the next Minister for Women and Equalities?

The EA needs clarified.

Was Starmer's biographer not free?

Yes, everyone commenting here has a functioning brain. Most news sources have a political stance, but some are more honest than others.

no worries. And yes, women are an afterthought.

It's spectacularly clear.

Our name, our spaces, our sports and awards, are to be fucking repurposed to benefit men.

Because it sure as shit isn't happening the other way round. Where are all the transmen clamouring to get into men's prison, or beating men at sport, or climbing up the greasy pole to the lofty heights of the board.

oh wait, they're all in the papers as being the first man to get pregnant. Shocker!

I've got a clear mental picture of everyone on that Reddit thread.

As if women in a space where they are vulnerable- whether loos, changing, domestic abuse or rape counselling- are going to ask any bloke if he's castrated! We just see a man- his inner gender beliefs make no difference to the impact he has on women,certificate or not.

Until there is a legal requirement to provide female only spaces in these situations, many women will just be further excluded (like the domestic abuse victims in Bristol told to 'try London' and Sarah, taking legal action to get a single female only rape counselling group in Brighton..)

No providers in many areas are protecting any separate female only services for vulnerable women at all, it's 'male/ trans inclusive' all the way...

I bet 😂

Starmer's not slippery. He was a human rights lawyer. I know people who worked with him on this area. I don't think he's had a personality transplant .I think he's having to compromise - and walk a knife edge to get into power.

Don't forget that since Labour was created 102 years ago, only 3 leaders have won a General election: Atlee, Wilson and Blair.

Starmer has to pass through the eye of a needle to win.

Personally, I think he has integrity and a vision that Labour can do good, based on past evidence, and his mainly working class, state-school educated shadow cabinet. I don't think he's driven by ego or for power.

But to win, serious compromises have to be made, and I'm sorry Labour got ensnared in the culture war trap, stirred up by the Tories, Russian disinfo cyber squads, and the unquestionably strategic Stonewall + Trans lobbyists.

Starmer's last minute tossing of an opinion isn't convincing, but it is something to use once Labour are in power

I think this is a very important. Totally shit that we have such flimsy straws to clutch, but it's something.

So he said and double downed on something numerous times (you say he didn't believe) as to not upset a very very small percentage of the population, whilst upsetting the majority of the population. Mmmmmmmmm???

Is this a man you want on the world stage having to have serious conversations with world leaders with red buttons at their fingertips??

It's so obviously a last minute panic over a large number of votes that it's almost funny.

It'll switch back to twaw on Friday.

Agree @Chariothorses

I'm a bit confused?? When did denying something that is a biological fact become a culture war??

Ah I remember that. Reading upside-down news headlines on the tube. More variety on the way to work than coming home, because there were lots of morning papers but only two evening papers, then only one.

Sorry, totally irrelevant! I’m so old I remember when Labour was proudly socialist. And when Pride was about same-sex love and attraction, not sex fetishism and misogyny.

But to win, serious compromises have to be made, and I'm sorry Labour got ensnared in the culture war trap, stirred up by the Tories, Russian disinfo cyber squads, and the unquestionably strategic Stonewall + Trans lobbyists

If winning means deliberately and permanently chopping the cause of women's rights off at the knees - women being far and away the most marginalised and oppressed demographic in history and also 51% of the population - maybe a potential leader with a shred of integrity or decency would consider the price of victory too high?

I’m sure you are sorry if you are batting for Labour but you’re incorrect on who is pushing on this

It’s women on FWR, and off mn who care about single sex spaces and safeguarding dc

@JanefromLondon1 - thanks, and Yes, it is a fact-based issue which has been turned into a culture war issue, for politically-driven motives

Like climate change
Like racism
Like abortion
Like immigration
Like vaccines
Like religion
Do you need me to go on? These are real issues with facts and data, that are hijacked for political purposes to be whipped up to generate heightened emotions, feelings of identity, safety, belief, morality, belonging to serve a wider strategy... If only the issue was discussed on a factual basis!

We like facts here. You cannot change sex and so on

It’s Labour that has the issue

Now, the question is; which civil servants will be advising the new Government on this? We need to scrutinse the experts behind the throne.

Exactly the same civil servants who have been advising the most recent government. The ones who have embedded 'gender-neutral' language across all policies and wear rainbow lanyards. Until the formation of SEEN which started to challenge policy wording which contravened various Acts...

I imagine SEEN will be disbanded very quickly.

Look, I am with you all. Very much so.

But I am a FWR board member who still believes Keir Starmer has integrity, and this Labour government, if elected, will do more good for women than a Conservative one, or than the Lib Dems or other smaller parties.

I hope my instincts are right. I'll continue to fight for women's rights personally though, including inside the party and in all aspects of my life - including encouraging young women to go into politics, bolster efforts of Rosie Duffield et al

Sadly facts are not very popular or influential these days

Social media has seen to that

This is what he said two years ago

Starmer, formerly the director of public prosecutions, the most senior prosecutor in England and Wales, said: “A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that trans women are women, and that is not just my view, that is actually the law. It has been the law through the combined effects of the 2004 [Gender Recognition] Act and the 2010 [Equality] Act.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/13/jk-rowling-keir-starmer-misrepresents-law-woman-definition-labour

Then they could have done their job as the Opposition, and talked about facts.

Instead they enabled the Tory TRAs, and the Holyrood and Senedd TRAs by never holding the Tories to account on the dismantling of safeguarding for children and vulnerable adults.

They sent people like Lloyd Russell-Moyle to debates on sex education, to say things like how teachers should teach children how to "safely" engage in self-asphyxiation. Or people like Kate Osborne to the WESC, where she told lies about Kemi, and ignored evidence of harmful sex education material presented to her.

The fact they didn't hold the government to account is a massive red flag. It more than indicates how they'll behave if elected.

They won't send anyone to MN from Labour HQ. They won't send anyone to woman's hour. At the same time, radio silence from the TRAs.

What's happening in France today is absolutely fascinating.