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Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets

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lcakethereforeIam · 02/07/2024 00:58

It's a headline in the Telegraph. Unfortunately when I archive it it goes to an article about that twat Ashworth refusing to answer. So, I've screenshot the headline

Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets
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Angrymum22 · 04/07/2024 10:50

Change will be achingly slow, something that most under 40s will struggle to understand. We live in a world where the internet allows instant access and gratification. No waiting weeks or months for goods to be delivered.

At the height of the last Labour government, 20yrs ago, the digital age was in its infancy, social media a novelty and online shopping had not really taken off.
Peoples expectation was that in time we will benefit from a new government.

Today, we live in an impatient world. Labour will struggle to deliver any meaningful change. I suspect their first press release with be to reassure but disappoint.

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lcakethereforeIam · 04/07/2024 16:28

Defend his...HER reputation 🎶 🤣

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RubyTrees · 04/07/2024 16:50

@Username65 that's brilliant, thanks for posting!

IwantToRetire · 04/07/2024 17:05

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2024 10:05

Thank you. So this is KS’s true manifesto and his priority is being seen as a Transgender and general ‘Pride’ champion, while safeguarding children, and women’s rights to safety, dignity and privacy will need to come last.

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Yes - and an indicated that he will tailor what he says to the audience.

And of course, this is underhand, because suspect that 99.9% of the population dont read Attitude so wont know he has said this.

And of course lazy MSM wont have picked up on it, because if they had they could have put him on the spot.

Just like they only questioned him once JKR got it in the head lines.

BabaYagasHouse · 04/07/2024 17:20

theilltemperedclavecinist · 03/07/2024 11:48

I think @Sunshineandchill is on to something with the 'bad actors spoilt it for true trans' trope, except I don't believe it's about individuals' choices, so much as an inexorable historical development that's played out over the last fifty years.

In the 70s, male transsexuals existed, on the strength of surgical techniques evolved during the previous fifty years, but they were rare, had no legal status following Corbett v Corbett, and had no protection from discrimination. So a political movement was born.

Medical practitioners of the time tried conversion therapies such as emesis and electric shock treatment, and discouraged transition if the patient was unlikely to pass, which kept numbers down.

Then it was decided that transition had therapeutic utility even for the non-passing. And a human rights based approach meant no more electric shocks (fair enough) and no more making a change in legal sex contingent on genital surgery.

So, for women, the situation has changed over time, from a rare encounter in the ladies (but not in other segregated spaces) with an almost-passing, virtually guaranteed castrated, individual with no political or social clout (therefore, likely to be frightened of the police, for instance). To frequent encounters, in every sort of space, with blatantly non-passing individuals who are virtually guaranteed to be fully intact. Since the turn of the century, lobbyists have been cheering them on, raising their social and political capital, boosting numbers, bullying women, and making any sort of sensible conversation impossible.

In hindsight, every step follows inevitably from the one before. So, what are the inevitable developments of the next twenty years? I don't think it's going to be good for women or trans people.

Commenting to say thanks for excellent summary and to save for future reference!

UpThePankhurst · 04/07/2024 17:37

Username65 · 04/07/2024 16:12

Don’t know if this has been posted on another thread. Enjoy the genius that is Mr Menno!

My new favourite of his, he always absolutely nails it.

murasaki · 04/07/2024 22:16

Well that is a work of genius and I have just woken up DP by laughing at it.

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