Female NHS Fife worker suspended after objecting to sharing changing room with TW

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A female member of NHS staff in Fife is taking legal action against the Health Board after they suspended her for having the temerity to assert boundaries when a male colleague entered the female changing room; rather than Being Kind about his super-special sense of self.

Courier Article
Archived version
Archive of article from “The Times” about her case.

Yep … I’m all ears

There are mixed reasons I think (as a bloke who is quite outspoken about this!)

• There are some who don't see it as their argument
• There are some who are genuinely nervous of some feminist responses telling men to get out of the discussion as this is a women's issue
• There are some who don't have the perception to understand the issue
• There are some who genuinely like that men can do what they want

The reality is that this is a woman's argument in many ways - no man can ever fully know the experience, emotion, feelings of a woman who feels vulnerable and is intimidated by men invading their space... However it is also a societal issue as to have any group of people attacked and threatened in this way is not a healthy society, men and women are different, are allowed to be different, but are equal as people and in value - so where men make no comment they are damaging society...

I like your thinking Corgi!

Men who are onlookers - fair enough you don't want to address women involved.

Address the men. Speak to the trans-identifing males.

It appears that both linked press sources have (inadvertently?) played down the situation. According to the full narrative, the female worker was not 'suspended after complaining about sharing changing room with transwoman': rather, she was suspended (without investigation), after the transwoman had complained about her behaviour in the changing room (presumably failing to be sufficiently deferential).

Maybe women should start getting their complaints (under HSE regulations and EA2010) in first. They could hardly be suspended for that .... could they?

Maybe, unlike the OU, Mermaids, Garden Court Chambers etc, they have a residual amount of sense that tells them that their staff, once in a witness-box and facing cross-examination, will make them a laughing-stock. Personally I think it's very unfair of them to deprive the nation of one of the few sources of gaiety in difficult times.

Yes like the mis-gendered daschund - I was getting quite excited at the prospect of that being thrashed out in court but the cowards backed down at the last minute. IIRC the actual day the case was to begin.
And we never got to hear the details of the recruitment process that Jason, the Scottish period champion went through to get the job.

Just confirming the verdict that these people/organisations are all rotters.

Of course dragging out the process in this way puts maximum pressure on the other party whose financial resources cannot match a county council or NHS trust as well as all the other strains and stresses associated with losing one's job and bringing a case.

Maybe women should start getting their complaints (under HSE regulations and EA2010) in first. They could hardly be suspended for that .... could they?

They could but it might constitute "victimisation" under the EA in and of itself. Which is a form of discrimination/harassment.

Is there gardening that needs doing?

Taking the option of not treating women poorly in the first place so there's nothing to hide never seems to occur to them.

You are a wonderful aunt.

PronounssheRa · Today 09:53

Nothing piques my interest more than organisations trying to keep something secret.

It's like when Top of the Pops banned records, they all went to Number 1.

@theilltemperedclavecinist
Quite possibly when I started the thread in July fewer details were available to the journalists covering the story 🤔
(I’d forgotten I’d started the thread tbh - was confused by appearing as the OP 🤦‍♀️)

This is one for the lurkers, as well.

Interest in why the NHS is so set upon this path, could be peaked, definitely.

Talking of the NHS, do we have any updates on the nurses bringing a case against the NHS for a similar situation?

If I was entirely in the right about something and was 100% sure of that then I would relish 10 days to basically tell the courts AND the public exactly why I was right and the other party was wrong and ensure that everyone understood why I was right and why they should consider their actions in further to ensure they behaved the way I believed to be the right way to behave. Why would you ever want your entirely right, fair and just behaviour hidden away from everyone? If it’s hidden away how will all the people on the wrong side see they’re wrong and why? How will the law protect members of the public falling foul of the legal and right way to behave and not be taken to court if they aren’t told? How will justice be seen to be done by the public if it’s hidden? And why would you want it to be when you’re the reason said justice is being done?

Fair points - and some of us do - but I am not sure it is as easy for men to offer as powerful or personal a voice in this matter as women can...

The simple reality is that a woman pretending to be a man does almost zero damage to men - lots of men (sorry) would welcome women in their changing rooms rather than being threatened / it would have little to zero impact on sports / men don't have the same history of having to fight for the right to be heard - when you start privileged and remain stronger / more privileged as a sex then it is harder to be harmed by a trans-man...

but for women - you only need to see the daily variety of ways in which trans-men can cause issues to realise there is need for strong advocacy from a female perspective that men are men and women are women etc.

I would hope that decent men would support and lend their voice - and you are right that men correcting men is a strong area to play a role - but the decent men are not in a place where trans-women are affecting them - it is only women who suffer, so it is harder for that reason for men to tackle it...

I do what I can to be vocal about it - online and in real life - partly to demonstrate that this is bigger than a 'women issue which can be ignored' but if there is more that men can do - always happy to hear...

Exactly, and that’s why the incessant chanting of twaw to brainwash people was so damaging.
What’s happening now is very sinister. We shouldn’t forget that when Atwood wrote The Handmaid’s Tale, she said that everything in the book is already happening in some part of the world.
We should also not forget that plenty of men do not see women as equal to men, and are happy to see men’s wants placed above women’s rights and safety.