Angela Rayner won't apologise for calling WPUK and LGB Alliance hate groups

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Its only a short part at the start of this section - but as so many threads have now shown, Labour clearly doesn't not have an agreed position on supporting women's sex based rights.

https://www.channel4.com/news/angela-rayner-says-she-wont-be-cowed-by-jk-rowling-when-it-comes-to-her-views-on-gender-reforms

Is this recent of from a while ago.

Not that it makes it better either way, but if this is recent and has been signed by former Labour MPs while Starmer is mouthing platitudes, it is outright two faced hypocrasy.

I think the last consultation was very heavily in favour of changes, but were mostly cut and pasted Stonewall responses. The government had to acknowledge the inpact of self id on the general population.

As you say, the only thing thats changed since the last consultation is more people vocal about the need of single sex spaces. And more press awareness.

The last consultant was with very little news coverage, but i dont think this will be the case now.

If he doesn't want to say if a man with gender should use the women's loo now, whats he going to do once hes elected? Refuse to speak about it?

Maybe he knows the numbers of the last consultation and is still confident the numbers are in his favour? But if it is established that men can use womens facilities, i cant see anyone being happy to make the process easier, and if its established that they can't, i cant see TRA being happy with Starmer for establishing that fact.

I cant see a scenario whete it ends well for him.

I've managed to work this our for myself.

It is from 13 February 2020.

So if:

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Salford and Eccles
Angela Rayner, Ashton-under-Lyne
Lisa Nandy, Wigan
Karl Turner, East Hull
Nadia Whittome, Nottingham East
Dawn Butler, Brent Central
Emily Thornberry, Islington South and Finsbury
Alex Sobel, Leeds North West
Zarah Sultana, Coventry South
Clive Lewis, Norwich South
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

all still stand by this, it really is impossible for Labour to say they will protect women's sex based rights.

I suppose at least you can say is that Angela Raynot isn't prepared to lie. Just side step and hope we wont notice.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that pledge dates from the Labour leadership election. If I remember correctly, Starmer was the only candidate from the 3 'finalists' who didn't sign it - he signed an alternative one, stating that 'TWAW' but that didn't call gc women's groups 'hate groups' or call for their expulsion.

(This is from memory but there were threads about it at the time so it should still be on record.)

Starmer was the only candidate from the 3 'finalists' who didn't sign it - he signed an alternative one, stating that 'TWAW' but that didn't call gc women's groups 'hate groups' or call for their expulsion.

I suppose he thinks we women should be grateful for the fact he is able to sit boths sides of the fence.

Lets hope he doesn't get a splinter.

I have to admit, at the time, I genuinely was grateful, or at least relieved. Imagine if either Rebecca Long Bailey or Lisa Nandy had won....

^"It really is impossible for Labour to say they will protect women's sex based rights.

I suppose at least you can say is that Angela Raynot isn't prepared to lie. Just side step and hope we wont notice."^

Their LGBT advisor is Iain Anderson. Labour HQ have several MPs who've privately said they're GC to other Labour women, one notable is the Shadow Minister for Education who as we know as said that a man with a GRC can use female spaces.

The side-stepping is genius Stonewall training.

A splinter?

His arse must be lacerated by now.

I wish Angela had been asked more about this supposed language that vulnerable women are scared of.

Having an eye on what is happening in a number of European countries I wonder if its crossed Keirs mind that forcing through unpopular laws can have a radical and scary reaction at the ballot box.

Which is why he's sitting on the fence and not going full-Green in spouting TWAW right now.

He's a politician purely seeking power. I'm a firm believer of anyone who wants that is a narcissist. If he wins this election he won't care what happens in the next.

His arse must be lacerated by now.

Maybe that's why he goes round looking as glazed and unsentient as a shop front mannequin. Just doped up with painkillers.

Edited - NB for MNHQ - this is a joke not an actual accusation!

Appears to be a Starmer update:

news.sky.com/story/election-2024-sunak-starmer-conservatives-labour-reform-lib-dem-12593360

Speaking to the same paper tonight, Sir Keir has said he is hopeful he can meet with the writer - who has been critical of trans women accessing single-sex spaces.

In a social media post at the end of last week, Rowling said: "Do biological males with gender recognition certificates have the right to enter women-only spaces?
"It's a simple yes/no question."

Asked about this by The Times, Sir Keir said: "No. They don't have that right.
"They shouldn't. That's why I've always said biological women's spaces need to be protected."

Asked if he will he meet Rowling? "I've indicated a willingness [to do so]."

Asked if he will he meet Rowling? "I've indicated a willingness [to do so]."

Yes and she responded the first time he said it that she would meet him so long as representatives of various gender critical groups could be there as well.

That's the question he needs to be asked. Why he is refusing to meet them, particularly as his deputy has said one of them is a "hate" group.

Here's an archived version of The Times interview quoted in the Sky article:

Keir Starmer: I want people to say Labour has made them better off
https://archive.ph/qCkld#selection-2449.0-2734.0

"No. They don't have that right.
"They shouldn't. That's why I've always said biological women's spaces need to be protected."

He hasnt always said that, but at last he's said something. Hopefully the next Labour candidate on nick ferrari will be able to say directly that a man with a GRC cannot use the womens toilet, instead of just answering with patronisingly chuckle.

This begs the question: Now we have same sex marriage, what is the point of a GRC? And why should a GRC, in turn, allow for birth certificates to be falsified.

What about anyone who can asking if Eddie / Susie Izzard should be allowed to use the women's toilets as he did recently.

Right, I’ve emailed my local Labour candidate asking for clarity on the issue of safe spaces for biological women before I vote on Thursday.

Let’s see if he replies.

There will be no clarity because they don't want there to be clarity. At the moment they are just saying anything and everything, in the hope that someone will be swayed and vote for them. It doesn't matter if they contradict themselves five minutes later.

I fully expect the answer (if I receive one) to fall on those lines.

The guy in question works with some of the most vulnerable women in society, though - some of whom he has splashed all over his campaign literature. I’m curious to see whether he has their safety and dignity at the forefront of his concern.

I very much doubt it.

I suspect Anglocentric exceptionalism.

I mean, foreigners, eh?

(Last line is sarcasm, for the avoidance of doubt )

She is so fucking thick and belligerent, and if she’s this easily strong armed by lobby groups she’ll be a national security risk to boot.

Well AR is someone who can't get her tax affairs and home address properly sorted so no hope for her understanding and protecting woman only spaces!
Her behaviour and language is inflammatory and appalling much of the time.....she is not fit to hold the position she does!

@Mumofoneandone I was going to say as someone who has an abhorrent fear of tax paperwork (even when I'm owed money) I'm not going to criticise her for that.
Having said that. She's going to be in charge of GB's finances. So errrr if she's anything like me then my God throw her out!