Angela Rayner won't apologise for calling WPUK and LGB Alliance hate groups

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Its only a short part at the start of this section - but as so many threads have now shown, Labour clearly doesn't not have an agreed position on supporting women's sex based rights.

https://www.channel4.com/news/angela-rayner-says-she-wont-be-cowed-by-jk-rowling-when-it-comes-to-her-views-on-gender-reforms

All she had to say was, 'I regret saying that'.

I'm sure West Streeting would be available for coaching.

Or if that's too unpalatable, maybe Tony Blair could be prevailed upon to make another of his statesmanlike announcements, and then she could get round it by saying, 'I agree with Tony Blair'.

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What do you think 'transitioning' entails?

Very, very few 'transwomen' have had their penises removed. Estimates are around 80-90% of men retain their penis.

Read my post again. I'm very well aware of that.

x.com/cforwomenuk/status/1806954337475662023?s=48&t=PMOpAXvQcwgwlrHv64UWAA

Conservatives for Women wrote this today which I agree with:

"We think deals have been done between @UKLabour and the usually very loud TQ lobby groups. Usually they would be shouting from the rooftops about even the very weak support Starmer has shown towards women’s rights. What have they been promised in return for keeping quiet? #GE2024 "

They parrot the same nonsense over and over again, never answering questions and all being as slippery as eels.

Iain Anderson, formerly of Stonewall, as Chair of Trustees. is working with Labour on policy development. This is why Stonewall haven't been screaming and shouting.

Then she says ‘trans women’ too. She can’t help herself.

To be a liar you have to have thought through what you're talking about in the first place. She clearly hasn't. She's just swallowed 'articles of faith' and ideological dogma whole.

And to be able to think things through you have to have clear definitions of words. If you cannot define a woman then any follwing premise you proffer about women makes absolutely no sense at all.

The answer to " What is a woman" is not : "There are biological women and there are trans women"

Agreed - that gets to the heart of why I started the thread.

We are faced with the prospect of the most senior female MP in what is likely to be the Party in Government, saying that both WPUK and LGB Alliance are "hate groups".

That is almost more significant that the wibble wabble over what single sex means and when it applies.

She said and has not retracted, that groups campaigning for women's sex based rights and for same sex attraction are HATE groups.

I think Rayner's personality is of the type that would rather never apologise for anything - she seems, by nature, unable to back down from any position she holds unless it suits her to do so.

Starmer seems to be of that type too; I get the strong impression he'd rather chop his own leg off than publicly apologise to Rosie Duffield.

In Ireland, the word for people like this is 'thran'.

Streeting, on the other hand, seems to have the knack for saying he's changed his mind on issues or apologising for past behaviour. I'm not sure I 100% trust him not to be a smooth operator in doing so but he's more gracious than the other two.

A political party where members are allowed to disagree. It will never catch on.

The labour lack of support for women is why I won’t vote labour. And I’m left wing. But this has become a single issue on which I can’t budge.

That, but also the fucking lying.

It's clear they've done deals with Stonewall etc.

They made some grand promises to women 'we'll halve VAWG!' (Great, fucking how?!)

... and meanwhile, all the policy promises have been clear changes to the GRA etc, to suit Stonewall and serve the gender orthodoxy.

Yet they try to present it as even handedness. It's not. It's bollocks. I was almost taken in for a short while, before people started asking questions and they all started malfunctioning and running away.

They don't care about women, they don't give a fuck. I'm so angry with them. As OP says upthread, what is worse is we can fully expect laws that will favour the chosen few who mouth the correct words ,while women who object will be criminalised as 'hate groups'.

Calling WPUK and the LGB Alliance hate groups was just one of 12 pledges in Labour's trans manifesto (which is interestingly not being mentioned in MSM).
A couple of the other pledges are worse, one being that Labour will expel gender critical women.
Angela Rayner signed this along with all the usual traitors such as Dawn Butler, Lisa Nandy. She is refusing to back down on this.

Any woman who thinks she's got a chance in hell of voting Labour and then changing things from within is bewildering stupid. Rayner will expel you.

Here's the manifesto which also lists the signatories.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdwPyenUicSJgKv1YTknZ47gDGU4bb_389zYbqH10TGSTRrpg/viewform

@MidCleg That pledge reads like a complete takeover of the Labour Party so that no other view is possible. Why anyone would sign it is beyond me. (I saw it on the other thread; thanks for raising it.)

Angela Raynor has this permanent murderous look on her face, like she has disdain for absolutely everything and everyone.

'Labour Campaign for Trans Rights: Pledges

1. Accept the material reality that trans people are oppressed and discriminated against in British society, facing a rising risk of hate crime, and difficulty accessing public services, healthcare, housing and employment.

1. Believe that trans liberation must be an objective of the Labour Party, and that transphobia is antithetical to our collective aims.

1. Commit to respecting trans people as their self-declared gender, and to ensure that the Labour Party is an inclusive environment for trans people.

1. Accept that trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary people are non-binary.

1. Accept that there is no material conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, and that all trans women are subject to misogyny and patriarchal oppression.

1. Listen to trans comrades on issues of transphobia and transmisogyny, allowing trans people to lead the way on our own liberation.

1. Support the work of trans members and organisers within the Labour movement, including supporting motions on a local, regional and national level which are presented for the furthering of trans liberation.

1. Oppose transphobic motions which run contrary to our own party equalities policy, and support the NEC striking down such motions on this basis.

1. Organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups.

10. Support the expulsion from the Labour Party of those who express bigoted, transphobic views.

11.Support reform of the Gender Recognition Act to improve transgender rights, as well as supporting policies which would improve trans people’s access to necessary healthcare, housing, and employment.

12. Organise against and oppose any further transphobic policy from our own party or any other.'

Signed by:

Members of Parliament:

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Salford and Eccles
Angela Rayner, Ashton-under-Lyne
Lisa Nandy, Wigan
Karl Turner, East Hull
Nadia Whittome, Nottingham East
Dawn Butler, Brent Central
Emily Thornberry, Islington South and Finsbury
Alex Sobel, Leeds North West
Zarah Sultana, Coventry South
Clive Lewis, Norwich South
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

'Organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups.'

Very revealing isn't it. She won't acknowledge the fear caused by the actual incidents of men using every women's space in the country now. Only language.

She can't acknowledge the actual incidents, and policies that enable them, that are taking place daily.

She is simply telling us that it's the wrong language being used.

She is bloody awful, hypocritical and deceptive. She thinks we are all liars, which of course the trans rights groups have told her exactly that.

Angela, you are all about the men. You repeat their gaslighting and make a fool of yourself.

They will be selling them lady tickets for a fiver.

I’m getting so fucking sick of this. Rayner clearly thinks that she’s on the side of the cool kids. That’s pretty much what all this bullshit boils down to.

All the trans organisations must be laughing their heads off.

Keir and Ange, which I might shorten to Kringe, are their useful puppets. Neither have the mental bandwidth to figure out how they are being played.

Kringe have no access to any information about this other than from trans rights organisations and just don't know that they don't have public support on this.

Once they start another public consultation they will be tested constantly by the media and will be a pair of flailing goldfish, their mouths opening and closing like the clueless idiots they are.

Looking forward to it actually.

Will there be a consultation?

I wish I'd attended a local hustings and had asked a question about it.

I would love to see this raised with a candidate over the next few days. Are there any women here who may be interested in writing to the usual suspects? GB news? LBC? Talk Radio?

Ive not seen anything directly from labour to indicate that they will be a consultation.

Im assuming that they have to demonstrate that they have thought about all stakeholders, but i dont know if that has to take to take the form of a consultation.

@illinivich if any law or Bill is changed doesn't a consultation have to happen?
Although with a huge majority of Labour in the house they could veto that, maybe? I don't know how these things work in practice.

Stamer said in an interview very recently, I can't remember which one.

He was asked about changing the GRA and said we're going to.... and then inserted we will start a consultation on changing the GRA and his usual.. what did Jane call it? Usual twaddle.

I remember it because it was at the same time as the latest polling was published saying support had plummeted and I posted here saying he's going to get a surprise as he's going in the opposite direction to public opinion.

They will create another massive shit show with that. He will flounder around because everyone Labour leadership listen to has told him it's just toxic bigots.

He's just going to enrage the activists even further by over promising and under delivering.

Kringe. They will be awful. They are going to be arguing with everyone on every news programme over it for the next year. He's made himself a left on left culture war!