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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets

360 replies

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 27/06/2024 18:56

Not much info about this yet, but just saw it on Twitter.

BREAKING. Party of Women
@SheffieldPOW
candidate in Leeds has been threatened with arrest for the leaflets she distributed on a charge of malicious communications.

com/terfasaurus/status/1806370775894491266

x.com

https://x.com/terfasaurus/status/1806370775894491266

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Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 14:40

A 17 year old is socially transitioning themselves.

Nobody socially transitions themselves. It is impossible.

Christinapple · 01/07/2024 14:46

Melroses · 01/07/2024 14:37

Silly me - I thought this thread was at the top of the list because there might be some news about the POW candidate in Sheffield 🤦‍♀️

Her "tr--n" tweets and similar have been seen by police and recorded under investigation, which is ongoing.

borntobequiet · 01/07/2024 14:52

“Give me a child until seven and I will show you the man” is a saying variously attributed to Aristotle and St Ignatius Loyola, and is generally considered to have some truth. This is why I think socially transitioning very young children is active abuse.
Lying to and emotionally manipulating older children is surely abusive, and confirming them in unfounded and impossible beliefs is borderline abusive. Of course they will probably present as they wish, but their beliefs shouldn’t be confirmed, just as you would not confirm the irrational belief of an anorexic child (there are very strong parallels between this and gender confusion/sex rejection in young women).
Apologies for the continuing derail.

BezMills · 01/07/2024 15:03

I'm reporting this entire section of Mumsnet to the boss to ask for it to be changed to reflect its actual content

F&WR&WNU*

(wossname's new username)

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/07/2024 15:19

Perhaps this police constable acted on his own initiative and didn’t clear his actions with higher ups 🤔 which, if he did, was foolish because any hint of potential police interference with elections is not a good look. Particularly given the multiple negative news stories in recent years about police forces and their behaviour towards women.

If this policeman exceeded his remit on this issue I would expect some sort of public apology is owed to POW.

Imnobody4 · 01/07/2024 15:34

Christinapple · 01/07/2024 14:46

Her "tr--n" tweets and similar have been seen by police and recorded under investigation, which is ongoing.

No, the police officers actions are under investigation.

CrossPurposes · 01/07/2024 15:37

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 14:30

A 17 year old is socially transitioning themselves.
I can't be arsed to argue about it but if you think a 17 year old popping on a dress and demanding to be called Skyw is "profound abuse" I suggest you read some other kinds of child abuse cases.

Maybe this one
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-68094466.amp

I'm not a sensitive person generally but that link needed a warning!

Christinapple · 01/07/2024 15:40

Imnobody4 · 01/07/2024 15:34

No, the police officers actions are under investigation.

I don't know about that, but I can confirm her tweets are.

TWETMIRF · 01/07/2024 15:45

All that means is someone reported them. I could report your posts and then you'd be under police investigation

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 15:53

TWETMIRF · 01/07/2024 15:45

All that means is someone reported them. I could report your posts and then you'd be under police investigation

All this means is Christinapple reported it. It seems they are quite comfortable with the undermining of democracy

BezMills · 01/07/2024 15:53

I can confirm all kinds of things on the internet.

Your view on my credibility might vary.

TWETMIRF · 01/07/2024 16:01

Christinapple is Cuthbert Cringeworthy

https://www.beano.com/posts/beano-superstars-cuthbert-cringeworthy

"If anyone misbehaves behind Teacher’s back, he can always count on me to inform him immediately".

AlisonDonut · 01/07/2024 16:20

Christinapple · 01/07/2024 15:40

I don't know about that, but I can confirm her tweets are.

All this cringeworthy telling teacher on people does is make people utterly despise the people that do this.

It does nothing for what people call 'true trans' people.

So keep on keeping on, if that's what you want.

#OperationLetThemSpeak

OldCrone · 01/07/2024 16:24

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 13:58

If you read the whole thread you will see I asked about the ages of the "profound abuse" and PP confirmed they thought it applied to all people under 18 socially transitioning.

Another PP then said "social transition leads to medical transition" about my example of the 17 year oldboy socially transitioning.

The research talks about children who socially transition before adolescence. That is not applicable to the scenario I was describing.

It is quite a neat illustration of why i think "transitioning children is profound abuse" is a ridiculous statement though. It forces people to cling to an extreme black and white position

In your post that I replied to, you said:
I think its ridiculously arrogant to label parents like David Tennant, Emma Bunton etc as "abusers" because you've decided you know best about their family circumstances.

I believe Tennant's child is 9, which is in the age group referred to by Transgender Trend. So I think it's fair to comment on the likely outcome for his child brought about by social transition at that age.

Do you agree that transitioning pre-pubescent children is abuse?

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 17:38

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 14:40

A 17 year old is socially transitioning themselves.

Nobody socially transitions themselves. It is impossible.

What?
So you think even adults don't choose to transition, other people do it for them?

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 17:40

CrossPurposes · 01/07/2024 15:37

I'm not a sensitive person generally but that link needed a warning!

Sorry. Thats what I think of when I think of "profound abuse"
Or Victoria Climbie. Or Baby P. Or Daniel Pelka. Or various other children who have been chronically neglected and murdered by people who should have loved them.

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 17:48

OldCrone · 01/07/2024 16:24

In your post that I replied to, you said:
I think its ridiculously arrogant to label parents like David Tennant, Emma Bunton etc as "abusers" because you've decided you know best about their family circumstances.

I believe Tennant's child is 9, which is in the age group referred to by Transgender Trend. So I think it's fair to comment on the likely outcome for his child brought about by social transition at that age.

Do you agree that transitioning pre-pubescent children is abuse?

I don't like the term "abuse" and especially not "profound abuse" because that implies an active choice on the part of the parents.

I think transition can be damaging; equally I think there is not enough research to know if social transition is an appropriate treatment for some children.

I think parents with gender distressed children must be having a very hard time and I'd prefer not to throw around terms like "abuse" when I know nothing about them or their circumstances.

Now I'm going to ask you a question. Do you think Angelina Jolie abused Shiloh by letting her live as "John" as a child?

Christinapple · 01/07/2024 17:51

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 15:53

All this means is Christinapple reported it. It seems they are quite comfortable with the undermining of democracy

Edited

You may be manipulating what "democracy" means here. It doesn't extend to running to twitter and throwing around abuse and hateful slurs because one was told off by a cop for something.

"#OperationLetThemSpeak"

What does this even mean anyway? If we're using "POW" as an example it just appears to means "let gender critical people talk shit about trans people". Right?

Some may also seem rather dismissive when transphobic hate and slurs are used. If a political candidate went online and used, for a hypothetical example, a homophobic slur or the N slur against black people, almost everyone would be in agreement they should not be a political candidate and should be investigated by police.

I haven't seen the leaflets so haven't taken part in that discussion. Did they have the slur "tr--n" or something like that on them? Did they use the word "tranny"? Was there a hint or implication on there that trans people are "only trans for perverse/sexual reasons"? I see the sort of things some people with gender critical beliefs sometimes say and some of it can come across a certain way and be seen as offensive.

I can't imagine how people who are actually trans or have trans family or friends may feel when this crap goes through their letterbox.

TWETMIRF · 01/07/2024 17:56

Any concern for women when misogyny is posted through their letterbox from those pushing genderism? What about migrants when they get a Reform leaflet?

If you were really interested then you'd look at the leaflet as it's linked to in the OP. There is no mention of tranny or troon on it so no need for the smelling salts

CrossPurposes · 01/07/2024 18:03

@Christinapple Images of the leaflet were posted very early in this thread.

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 19:50

You may be manipulating what "democracy" means here. It doesn't extend to running to twitter and throwing around abuse and hateful slurs because one was told off by a cop for something.

It absolutely does.

Sloejelly · 01/07/2024 19:55

Free speech is the cornerstone of democracy

RealFeminist · 01/07/2024 20:04

TWETMIRF · 01/07/2024 15:45

All that means is someone reported them. I could report your posts and then you'd be under police investigation

AND BEFORE YOUS KNOW IT THE POLIS UR DIGGIN UP THE GAIRDEN

JanesLittleGirl · 01/07/2024 21:26

RealFeminist · 01/07/2024 20:04

AND BEFORE YOUS KNOW IT THE POLIS UR DIGGIN UP THE GAIRDEN

Were they turning over your turf to find evidence of TERF?