Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets

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Not much info about this yet, but just saw it on Twitter.

BREAKING. Party of Women
@SheffieldPOW
candidate in Leeds has been threatened with arrest for the leaflets she distributed on a charge of malicious communications.

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CassieMaddox
Serious question. Do you think the leaflet reaches the threshold of malicious communication? No red herrings about harassment etc. Just straight up would you say it is a crime to publish that leaflet?.

She posts on Kiwi Farms so is automatically evil because some nasty comments are posted on there. You use Reddit and they post on there positively about rape. Guilt by association taints you too if we're going down that road

What alleged malicious communication? If the election leaflet met the standard, do you not think she would have been arrested? On the other hand we do know that the police officer interfered in an election.

No.
But I think giving the leaflet to a trans person you know and have disagreed with in the past could be. Or any of a number of other scenarios. Which is why I'd prefer to reserve judgement until more is known about what has happened.

The stupid "Live" was what causes the issue to me. Unnecessarily hostile to police officers who repeatedly said they were driving and unable to discuss. And the "do you know who I am?" Just came across as picking a fight. I'd have put the phone down too in that situation.

Okay,I've thought about it.

Now what?

But I think giving the leaflet to a trans person you know and have disagreed with in the past could be.

I have disagreed with my Labour councillor in the past. Nothing that he gives me in terms of campaign materials that have been approved as such would count as malicious communication however much I disagree with him on it or are insulted by it.

OMG hold the front page.

What a shocker.

I use bloody kiwi farms, quick call the polis

Christinapple how did you come to your conclusion that kiwifarms is problematic? Did you really on hearsay or did you read it ergo are a ‘user’ of it?

You are being wilfully obtuse.
She is not a Councillor. That's not an equivalent example.

Labour campaign material doesn't talk about inflammatory subjects like "transitioning children is abuse".

Giving a leaflet saying that to the parents of a trans child could absolutely cause distress and therefore be a malicious communication.

The entire output of the last 4 tory administrations has been malicious communication, if you ask me.

So calling out abuse is something that should not be said now is it?

When I was a kid, loving parents often hit their children. As this came to be recognised as abuse many were angry and defensive. They loved their kids. They were doing what they thought was right, for the best.

It was still abuse though, and that needed to be said.

It's PC PR, the designer policeman, blowing out a smokescreen with his multicoloured truncheon. Shake a few bad apples off the long arm of the law, but we know and they know, that it's rotten to the core

Here's another fun fact about Kelly-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker, founder of the Party of Women whom Louise McDonald is currently a candidate for.

KJK told me she is a kiwifarms user, from a couple of brief emails we exchanged.

Think about that for a moment.

@Christinapple

Well, I've thought about it for a moment and she's still going to get my membership money next month.

They are both politicians standing for election?

It is not malicious communication to cause someone distress because they disagree with you on a topic of personal interest. Should Labour not say they will tax private schools or claim private school pupils are privileged, in case a parent found it distressing after their child was bullied out of the local state school? Should the SNP not say Scotland would be better independent, in case the family of a veteran who died fighting for the UK got upset? Or Alba that the SNP caused unnecessary deaths in Covid, in case they handed the leaflet to someone who organised the transfer of Covid-carrying elderly patients to care homes?

No debate has passed.

This is my problem. You bend over backwards to find a way to condemn POW without any evidence but take for granted the police are doing their job.
Are you really unaware of all the cases where the police have harassed women only to drop the charges after months. Just for having an opinion they are entitled to just like you. Do you really not know about what has been going on?

I feel like I've said this before but anyway. In my opinion making blanket statements about "transitioning children is profound abuse" is inappropriate as it opens the door to people randomly calling the parents of trans children "child abusers". Which is extremely hurtful to those parents and a massive oversimplification of what can be quite a complex issue.

I have no idea what the "malicious communication" is about, no-one does as its only being publicised by PoW followers. But other political parties are not making those kinds of blanket statements.

Calling out actual concrete examples of child abuse, fine. Tarring everyone involved with trans children with the same brush of committing "profound abuse", not fine.

And your example of hitting children is probably a good one. We didn't get to a position where smacking is unacceptable by political parties posting leaflets saying "smacking children is profound abuse".
Shaming parents doesn't work.

OK. Well I don't want to get into a fight but I don't think its ever acceptable to call people criminals without any evidence.

I don't know what has happened that people don't notice they have sailed past a line and think it's fine because its the Internet and their gang is cheering them on. See also Maya Forstater and the doctor thing.

Yet here you are time and again accusing POW of crimes.

Also investigating crimes is not "harassment". It's their job. "Dropping charges" isn't a sign that they did their job badly. Often it's a sign they did it properly.

Some GC women have been treated badly but that doesn't mean every time a GC woman is involved with the police it's "harassment". Some GC women will be criminals, just like all other types of human being.

Is this a fight?
I don't know what has happened that people don't notice they have sailed past a line and think it's fine because its the Internet and their gang is cheering them on.
I'm sorry all I can say is right back at you. Calling people fascists because you disagree etc is way past my line as is supporting abusive men just because they claim to be women.

Where have I accused them of crimes please?
Saying I find some of what they do distasteful is not the same as "accusing them of crimes".

I haven't called anyone a fascist apart from Tommy Robinson and maybe Nigel Farage.

What I've said is, if people do far right things and say far right things they can't be surprised if people think they are far right.

This thread policing of yours is getting a bit dull. I'm as entitled to post on this thread as anyone. It's a discussion board That means people...discuss things?