The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

[Arealnumber]

Labour to simplify ‘undignified’ gender transition process

www.thetimes.com/article/29648ec1-5b29-4b35-97df-2a443c71d7e0?shareToken=fd3bf0c5a080ae78044dd82770d8e1a7

Oh good! I was planning to switch off when I heard it was Michael Gove and Harriet Harmen.

I'll keep listening now.

@dollybird
GRA annulment doesn't impact division of assets in theory but it is very difficult to divide the assets when one partner has changed official name/ gender documents and everything is in different names , and men can keep their wives and children in huge distress and poverty for years dragging it out.

My guess is that one of the reasons Labour plans to end this protection for women is that currently the family court may not issue the final annulment (so dads can get their final GRC ) until they have agreed financial arrangements for the children and division of assets eg the house with their wife. Leaving families in poverty is a long term aim of trans lobbying and the recent CPS proposals had to be amended as a result- domestic abuse including financial and coercive control are primarily sex based crimes , and this doesn't change when a man says he is a woman (whatever trans lobbyists pretend!)
policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

My understanding is the annulment option in the GRA was to stop the state directly interfering in the human rights of individuals eg to practice their religious beliefs, not to be forced into a same sex marriage without their consent (as this directly conflicts with their right to practise religious belief, marry as they choose, and human rights).

I don't want mystical distant promises I want clear, decisive action.

People can promise the earth but it's meaningless without clear policy.

So far all Labours stated policies support gender, to the detriment of women and children.

Be fascinated to see the actual evidence you have for your "bet". But I'm betting you just want to chivvy us all into voting Labour while we pipe down and stop making a "fuss" 🙄

My understanding is the annulment option in the GRA was to stop the state directly interfering in the human rights of individuals eg to practice their religious beliefs, not to be forced into a same sex marriage without their consent (as this directly conflicts with their right to practise religious belief, marry as they choose, and human rights).

If Labour's change to the spousal exit clause does come about, it would be awfully interesting if a transwidow were to take her case to the EHRC on the grounds that the new process breaches her human rights.

I can see we are going to have more women having to raise money for court cases & tribunals inorder to protect our rights.
It never bloody ends does it .

I don’t think Labour are pretending to promise even

Just a few on mn

But that's part of the problem isn't it - a woman who is directly affected will have to fundraise and go to court. Religious women aren't speaking out about a lot of issues right now. We don;t know if they are free to do so.

I think it would also help a lot for those whose Catholic religion forbids re marriage in the church following divorce.A legal annulment would make it possible, I think.

You don’t have to be religious though to find it a breach of trust to be married to someone who says they were a woman, or man, all along.

Well, I just joined the Conservative Party. £39.

I'm actually slightly incredulous that this is where I've ended up. Holy crap.

I agree - I think this is something that affects all governments and it is what has been happening for some time.

I wonder how much effect government actually has on big issues these days.

But, like management in big organisations, they have to be seen to be doing something.

@Thelnebriati Yes at a time when mums will be distressed and struggling financially due to what has happened, trying to support traumatised children, and dealing with ostracism from religious communities
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/charedi-woman-manchester/

there are several links to families of different religions affected by this in this 'Children of Transitioners' article
childrenoftransitioners.org/2022/03/12/no-exit/

Unfortunately, that may not even be an option if Labour change the laws (statutes?)which our carefully constructed case law is based on. Then potentially we will all have to join the religion or lose our jobs (and worse)

Well if this is their approach then they are even shitter at politics that I thought. The time to come up with a marvellous compromise that will be fine is now whizzing past and you can see it in the rear view mirror.

That is extraordinary. Family courts normally allow the father (in this case transwoman) to see their children,even have 50/50 custody, no matter what, to a ridiculous extreme -
even if they have been a serious abuser in many cases. Look up Family Court on Mumsnet to see.

This judge must be very strong minded and unusual. It is good he recognises the harm this man’s choice to be transgender would potentially have on the children.

Look at that book in a poster’s child’s primary school, ‘She’s my Dad’ guilting a child into accepting their father becoming a transwoman ( written by just such a dad).

He's a lying liar just as he always was.

I had hoped I was being cynical by not trusting him.

Oh, well.

OK, do your ostrich impression and let us know how that works out.

So once again it begs the question what is the point? A special certificate that acknowledges someone's feelings in their head but does nothing practical?

This could be extended to all kinds of feelings people have about themselves which don't match reality.

Do you get a right to vote within the party for who is PM and so on?

You have to be a member for a certain amount of time (think it’s 2-3 months) but then you become eligible to vote in Leadership elections as well as selecting your local candidate.

I’m very tempted.

I think there's a time frame e.g 3 months. So possibly anyone joining now would not be able to vote if Sunak resigns on 5th July..

@ScrollingLeaves
Yes the GRA section 12 and Freddy MCConnell Supreme Court judgement are supposed to protect children of transpeople from this coercive control and emotional cruelty.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2023/04/10/paperwork/

But because trans lobby groups keep losing in court (as the courts prioritise child welfare over parental fantasies), trans activists are using workplace/ school policies to undermine the law protecting children's wellbeing and human rights instead.

I've had a leaflet through the door from Ashley Dalton (Equalities). MP for West Lancs. No one knocked, but posted, and ran away. Safe Labour seat, thanks to the support of the likes of Skelmersdale.

Not a mention of her LGBTQ++++ support which she usually bangs on about.(The handful of young white men in frocks, and their pals, have gone home from the local uni. Wrong time of year for their votes.)

Whether it's on potholes, anti-social behaviour, flooding, public transport, or SEND provison, I will always stand up for you.

My Constituency Story
How I've been working for you
I started a community conversation of public transport and have been holding the Government to account on the promised money for transport projects in the North
I have also raised the issues of SEND provison in Parliament and have been working with local farmers to resolve issues of flooding in our community

If she's so Proud of her LGBTQ blah credentials which she feels are sooo important the rest of the year, why stay schtum in this local leaflet for local people? Why isn't she saying what she's supporting as Shadow Minister for Equalities? Surely we should be told?

Perhaps because the locals, both townies and country, will say what the actual fuck?

Clabony, and sadly the majority of them won’t know what she stands for.

I think the deliberate obfuscation (looking at you Kier) is absolutely repellent.