The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

[Arealnumber]

Labour to simplify ‘undignified’ gender transition process

www.thetimes.com/article/29648ec1-5b29-4b35-97df-2a443c71d7e0?shareToken=fd3bf0c5a080ae78044dd82770d8e1a7

I find it difficult to believe that someone can see why sport should be split by sex, but no where else.

I've posted on this topic before, and as more is being revealed about Labour's cosy relationship with men pretending to be women, the more adamant I am that I won't vote for them. I owe this to myself, and the women of this country and the girls who will be impacted this, so that when Labour are running the country in a couple of weeks at least I can know that I didn't back their terrible disregard for women.

I want women to be defined as anyone who has two X chromosomes (and yes, that includes those poor unfortunate souls born XXY (if that's what they want) since they didn't choose that).

I was going to spoil my ballot, but now I'm wondering whether to actually vote Tory. I never ever imagined that this is where I'd be and I know that the Tories have fucked up everything else but I can't believe Labour are so fucking stupid. Depending on which polls you believe it might actually make a difference in my area. Though guess I'll email the Labour candidate first.

You don’t get it.

The problem is the fact that bad actors will be able to say they are trans to gain access to women’s spaces. They already are, hence rapes on hospital wards.

Anyone who truly cares about women, to the extent they feel they are one, would care about this. They would want women protected.

But they don’t. Because they don’t recognise the threat. Because they are male.

I agree with everything you say and will also be voting Tory for the first time not because I want or expect them to win the GE but to reduce a Labour majority.
I'm in a blue seat Labour are hoping to win. I told the Labour canvasser my reasons I wouldn't be voting for them this time and all I got were platitudes and lots of 'we here that a lot but still vote for us' ie no sincere engagement.
It's infuriating but this is probably going to be one of those rare elections where my vote is important and could actually make a difference so that's something.

I don’t understand why they think this is so important that they won’t budge on it. The only explanation is that they think it’s in some way a cheap win - but why? Polling suggests that more people oppose it than otherwise, and it shows them as lacking any notion of reality, scientific/ medical evidence or common sense.

I’m a woman, I have a mother, aunts, sisters, daughters, nieces and maybe in the future granddaughters. All of our safety, dignity and opportunities are now being threatened by the Labour Party. I stand with JKR by not giving them my vote.

Labour won't budge because they don't care. They know they will win, so are just happy to mouth some platitudes.

They are about to get a large majority, they will take it as support for their stance

Labour hate women. They absolutely hate us. Ditto lib dems and the greens. All this hate to appease what... 1% of men?

Sadly too true. We can only hope that the majority isn't too large.

You don't understand why I don't want someone with a penis showering beside me and my daughter? Really? 🤔

How lovely for you that these men have had no impact on your life,maybe you should take the time to read the Trans Widows threads in order to see what a devastating impact they've had on other women's lives.

Ggrrrrrr I realise I'm ranting (and another thing!) but this is also just bad politics. Everyone knows that Labour hasn't sealed the deal with the electorate. The polling isn't an endorsement or enthusiasm for Labour, it is fury with the tories.

To take such an unpopular position on a contentious subject in the last weeks of a campaign, thus ensuring even more coverage of JKR's criticisms is just really really bad strategy. It is the political equivalent of sticking a "JK kick here" sign on your own bollocks.

It does suggest that the leadership might have started believing the polls though. Hubris always a danger.

@Daffodilsugar
because trans people are born that way

There is evidence that children and young people, who are autistic, gay but living in a homophobic setting, in care, sexually abused, or traumatised by a serious life event, are disproportionately likely to present with a feeling of body and gender dysphoria. For them the idea they are in the wrong body, but can change, can appear to. present a solution.

There has also been an exponential rise in the numbers of children presenting themselves as gender questioning. Often there will be a cluster within one class at school. They are also being heavily influenced by the internet, just as they have by self-harm, and anorexia sites.

Children who are gender non conforming - more effeminate or masculine in their tastes when compared to social expectations of male and female stereotypes, can be seen by homophobic adults as being trans.

No, these children were not just born trans.

They definitely were not born full of harmful cross sex hormones, castrated with a wound for a vagina, or with a false penis and their breasts cut off.

I think it's because they believe it's a popular policy with young people and they're going after the youth vote. See also reducing voting age.

Also, it won't cost them any money.

And Anglocentric exceptionalism - even if they've noticed what has happened in Europe, they believe the UK is different.

No, you have misunderstood something very important.

Boys and men who have Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) are male.

They are not women with an extra 'Y', they are men with an extra 'X'. Remember all men have one X anyway.

That Y will have the SRY gene that means the foetus follows the male development pathway.

I definitely don't want to derail this thread around this (people born XXY are mercifully very rare) but I thought they often also had a uterus/cervix/ovaries etc? Is that not the case- do they just have an extra X chromosome and a penis?

This was in response to EasternStandard

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/klinefelters-syndrome/

'Symptoms of Klinefelter syndrome

Klinefelter syndrome does not usually cause any obvious symptoms early in childhood, and even the later symptoms may be difficult to spot.

Many boys and men do not realise they have it.

Possible features, which are not always present, may include:

in babies and toddlers – weak muscles and very flexible (hypermobile) joints, learning to sit up, crawl, walk and talk later than usual, being quieter and more passive than usual, having undescended testicles, only one testicle, or a smaller penis
in childhood – shyness and low self-confidence, problems with reading, writing, spelling and paying attention, mild dyslexia or dyspraxia, low energy levels, and difficulty socialising or expressing feelings
in teenagers – growing taller than expected for the family (with long arms and legs), broad hips, poor muscle tone and slower than usual muscle growth, reduced facial and body hair that starts growing later than usual, small, firm testes, and enlarged breasts (gynaecomastia)
in adulthood – inability to have children naturally (infertility), low sex drive, small, firm testes, and erection problems.'

Right now I have visions of JKR rolling up her sleeves in front of her computer and preparing to launch a war of words. I for one am right behind her, I was starting to waiver and consider voting Labour but now, not on your life.

I can't vote Labour, it's too scary. If there are enough votes for GC parties might it encourage opposition in the new parliament to stand ground against Labour and try to slow progress? Hoping so. Spoiling ballot paper does not work for me. But voting not Labour, LibDem or Green. All of which I have in the past voted for. Sigh.

Oh god. I don't have time to read it until later but for the love of cheese, why did they have Starmer "clarifying" his position just last week, only to swing back the other way? Is this factions?

I'll bookmark it for lunchtime so I guess I'll get the answer then.

I'd never heard of that syndrome, I was thinking of Intersex where someone is born with both sets of reproductive organs - but perhaps they don't have XXY chromosomes.

Either way, definitely not voting Labour!

@Daffodilsugar
From what you have written I am guessing that you think that ‘being trans’ is equivalent to being gay.

You might be interested to read this informed response to Labour policies about gender as they affect gay men, by Denis Kavanagh who is himself gay, so perhaps you would trust him more than you would trust people posting here on this thread.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6200252604e9795287de2ada/t/6671b5cc373b6025fffcbbec/1718728141412/GMN+Labour+Party+Manifesto+Response+2024+Branded+V2.pdf