Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

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Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

Ahh, Hussain with "where to the penis-less men go?"

Kemi is being clear it's not about paperwork it's about the general idea that sex doesn't exist.

She says she's separating legal sex from biology sex

Have to say Mishal is right that it's unclear how it would work in practice in some situations, but Kemi is working hard to explain that its not about that

Waffle, can't answer the rape crisis centre question or on gender surgery or the legal paper work... birth cert GRC all bollox.

& what happened to the ECHR rubbish?

But all of this ONLY applies to public organisations.... doesn't she know much of female spaces are privately run, including in health services.

Defends a man making rape jokes, they are just inappropriate, all freedom of speech.

She says she's separating legal sex from biology sex

I guess it then becomes what is the point of ‘legal sex’?

Why can’t we point out that Labour passed poor legislation that lacked clarity? Why is that ‘a reach’?

And why is it relevant whether Starmer was elected?

Yes, more should have been done. But that was a pipe dream to ever think we could quickly turn this around. It was always going to take time and a huge effort. Most women I have worked with on these campaigns have been saying it was going to be slow going.

I don't know if Husain is doing this deliberately but her line is that every time a decision is made, it is being made on the basis of paperwork, and when the legal changes are made, what's the relevant paperwork for decision-making? Badenoch is pointing out that paperwork is almost never required and the change is about enabling businesses, institutions, etc to apply the Equality Act 2010.

Why can’t we point out that Labour passed poor legislation that lacked clarity?

I'd like to know why this is verboten as well.

The fact is that Starmer has said he is committed to making Self Id easier - by removing the need for a medical note, and just the signature of one self chosen doctor ( of which you can guarantee there will be a queue lined up happy to comply for £20 a pop). He continues to meet with people such as Linda Riley, Iain Anderson and Stonewall and makes promises to them. Linda Riley is still advising Labour as their 'go to' person.

His answers to straight questions are woolly and indirect which is never a good sign if you are seeking clarity or re-assurance.

Furthermore there is a hard core of trans activist back benchers who are still in place, even if Starmer has managed to rid himself of one ( Lloyd Moyle)

How can it be ‘a reach’ when we have all this mess due to the GRA introduced by Labour?

It’s Labour’s harmful legislation

I think this might be the way forward, rather than repeal, make the GRA what it claims to be - issuing a certificate that recognises a persons gender. And services and opportunities are based on sex, not gender.

Quite! Legal sex was only of any real meaning before gay marriage equality was achieved.

I’d like the GRA repealed but I think it’ll take a long time to unwind the harmful legislation

Amending the EqA in this way is pretty much the only way to ensure single sex spaces for women

Why do you think they would if in government? Given their record of inaction. Look how long it took for guidance on gender issues for schools.

Yes. And protections in the EA are based on sex; this would ensure transmen retain protection for maternity etc

It demonstrates the idiocy of the GRA and the EA around transgender in the first place

If he’s doing it to get votes, surely that’s important and KS should take notice. Who’d have thought protecting women from having any male who wants to be there in their toilets, changing rooms, prisons and sports would be popular with half the electorate plus those men who care about women? It’s a no-brainier once the issues are spelt out clearly (remember that thanks to the TWAW and “most oppressed” narratives lots of people aren’t even sure if a “trans woman” is a male or female transitioned person and most don’t know that the vast majority of TW have a penis).

I’m the leftiest bleeding heart socialist on the block and I have a labour MP who is good and who I want to vote for. I’ve never voted Tory. But I’m glad they’re doing this and it bloody well should light a fire under KS’s mealy-mouthed dithering.

Again, no that is not a fact, just what you ve made up.

Simplify and a consultation - that consultation might mean no change, tighter rules or as you say, easier.

A lot can change in 2 or 3 years, as we all know.

Quite a disappointing interview from Mishal. Lots of asking a question then cutting across the answer.

@Helleofabore saying "They've had 14 years" does not mean the same as "They should have done it 14 years ago" though. Although in coalition for the first few years they had the power to observe the growing mess throughout and the seriousness of the situation has been blatantly obvious for at least the last 5 years. I could understand a newly-elected government not wanting to tackle this but Rishi Sunak had no reason at all not to act on this any time in the last 18 months. Deciding not to take action in order to pull it out as a pledge as if it's a new idea is sickening, and is a deliberate act to dangle a carrot for wavering borderline voters. If they cared at all they could have done it a few weeks ago before declaring the election.

I am not sure it can be tied to the Tories though. That would mean Labour is denying their very own MPs and their own groups. It would end up making Labour look more and more like it is prepared to throw their own women members under a bus.

I guess if they have gotten away with it as much as they have in the past, they might frame it that way. But I don’t think they will get away with it unscathed to be honest. Not now. Last election- most definitely. I seem to have greater optimism that that won’t be able to now.

....which they ve had 14 years to amend etc

So why in 2020, did they defend the GRA? and even now, judging on KB's interview, cannot answer some very basic questions?

Public pressure has mounted since 2020. You can thank all the women who have spoken up on this.

What do you prefer this EqA amendment or Labour’s use of GP or medic for greater ease?

This issue is unfolding and had been unfolding with the EHRC, who told the gov they have to clarify the EA, and with at least one court case that is still pending.

That's For Women Scotland's court case.

Listened to KB on R4 Today. Mishal Hussain trying and failing to get her bogged down in the weeds of paperwork and genital inspections.
Fucking hate it when the Tories are the only ones talking sense on this.