Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

@thefireplace

@Helleofabore is correct when she talks about the trans lobby strength of challenge on this change to the EqA

Why do you think that is?

As I remember it was Newsnight which flagged up the problems at the Tavistock with an excellent report several years ago. Why on earth was MB invited on when there are hundreds of women who could talk about the problem of losing jobs, taking court cases etc?

This bit’s even better. Digitising the process doesn’t sound like making it more robust to me. I wonder how far that’s got in the last three years.

As you know, as part of the same announcement, we committed to making the Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) application process fairer and kinder to those who use it. We have already reduced the fee, and are working on digitising the process.

Both of these actions were initiated after consideration of feedback provided by the consultation. The digitisation work is progressing steadily, following Government Digital Service principles, including those around accessibility. I am monitoring the process closely

Considering your previous posts, may I remind you to deal with the facts as you kept on posting. Where have I said that it is anything but my opinion that Sunak could have been subject to a leadeship spill? At all? I am just pointing out that you have fuck all to back up your own claim.

Because the programme wasn’t all about this issue. Did you bother watching it all?

No need to get so angry.

I said (if you re read the post) neither of our opinions on Sunak can be backed up, they are just that, opinions! there is no parallel universe where Sunak was ousted and Mordaunt as PM.

I ve linked Badenochs letter, written in 2022, less than 2 years ago, within the period she was apparently working hard on changing the Eq Act.

That letter is factual, its not my opinion and anyone reading it can easily see that KB supports getting a GRC easier and simpler.

What has changed her mind (or rather the illusion that its changed) is a nice fat GE coming along.

We can see the significance in this small and much needed proposed change in the way it’s making so many run scared, because it undermines the central tenet of their faith based position, that feelings trump reality. And with that, the whole edifice crumbles.

“The Tory party is fairly right wing, they don't, as a bloc support TWAW, so of course this could have been done years ago”

Would you like to link up your proof of this? Show us the evidence that ‘as a block’ they don’t support TWAW?

I am not angry. Why do you think I am? I am pointing out your own hypocrisy after your posts yesterday.

I am also pointing out that you have nothing, fuck all, to back up your claim. You keep asserting that Sunak would never have been ousted. Do you have insider knowledge on that? no?

Then you can keep asserting it but it is just your opinion. Just as mine was just my opinion.

"That letter is factual, its not my opinion and anyone reading it can easily see that KB supports getting a GRC easier and simpler."

Has anyone on this thread said that Kemi Badenoch did not support making getting a GRC easier and simpler than the process as it was before? If so, please point out that post.

There is a difference between making it easier and simpler from the process that she supported the changes for, and the processes that have been floated as being positioned by Labour.

Please show us where she has changed her mind on the GRC changes that she once supported or where she is currently supporting the changes that Labour are proposing?

And what has the past changes to the GRC got to do with clarifying the language used in the Equality Act other than what she said in her interview yesterday? That there is a 'legal sex' because that is the law at the moment, but that under the new wording of the Equality Act that it would be clear that male people, even with a GRC, could be excluded by law from spaces designated as female only. Meaning biological sex single sex spaces.

The letter you posted is factual. I fail to see the relevancy though.

'Under the Act, trans people can legally access single-sex services based on their gender,'

Holy fuck, Stonewall! The bare faced bullshit!

Angrier and angrier... what is so difficult about the word opinion for you?

No, what you don't like is that i ve shown Badenoch for what she is, an opportunist, who doesn't give a damn about vulnerable people.

And yet, I am not angry.

And yet... here you are telling me that I am not just angry, but now 'angrier and angrier'.... from a poster who yesterday was so specific that posters back up their claims....

Is it the use of the word hypocrisy that makes you think I am angry?

So, you don't have insider knowledge yet you double down and say that Sunak would never have been ousted. Because...... you say so?

Well they can if they have a GRC (and in practice without because of the whole 'don't ask' malarky). I'd like to thank Stonewall for confirming that 'Sex' in the act does not currently mean biological sex as is being routinely claimed.

No one who wants the EqA change dropped has answered why TRAs are completely aligned and very much want the same thing as they do

It is almost like forcing the discussions to be had about making the EA very clear so that service providers know that they can exclude all males, including those with a GRC, is educating the very service providers currently either confused or being forced through funding to be single gender and not single sex.

It is almost like even having these discussions and highlighting the confusion and making the public aware of their rights is not a thing to be celebrated.

Plus it does make a mockery then of the court cases.

I think the interview that Sex Matters had yesterday were interesting and enlightening. I think it is genius to have a male person who demands that they be considered female so they should access single sex spaces on as it will pique the interest of many listeners.

'The Equality Act is one of the great achievements of our democracy

It's not necessary to re-define 'sex' in the Act for service providers to provide a range of services

This is something they do routinely already'

What do they do, define 'sex'? Who does, and how?

We have violent men in women's jails.

We have men taking jobs in rape crisis centres, despite the jobs being restricted for women.

We have men making women uncomfortable in changing rooms in the NHS.

We have women raped on NHS wards and told that hadn't happened.

We have women denied treatment because they asked for single sex care.

We have men taking women's places in political organisations/parties set up to try to address gender imbalances.

We have men taking women's sporting medals and titles.

We have 'gender neutral' toilets in schools, with all the issues those entail.

We have children still being taught they can change sex and choose 'gender identity' in schools (95% of scottish children can 'self ID' in school).

We have 15 year old teenage girls who've been given mastectomies.

Mixed sex spaces don't work for women, they put us at risk more and they deny us the privacy, safety and dignity that we are entitled to from single sex spaces and services.

None of these issues are going away. Yes, they need to be addressed. Women are half the population, we are not a 'fringe issue'.

Answers to this would be good

Alongside Labour and their list of spaces and how men with GRCs will be kept out

"No, what you don't like is that i ve shown Badenoch for what she is, an opportunist, who doesn't give a damn about vulnerable people."

No, what I don't like is people deliberately mischaracterising what someone has said in interviews about these issues. To have a discussion about it, we need to stick to what was said to form an accurate assessment of the information at hand.

Oh fuck. That’s right. That would actually require someone to actually want to discuss this with some kind of open mind in the first place. I forgot.

Yes, a total wind up merchant whose main obsession is " getting rid of the Tories" over absolutely everything else. I'm not sure what brave new world this person thinks is going to dawn on July 4th? But as far as this issue is concerned that is when the heat really starts to get turned up.

Cassie Maddox is a member of the Member of the fictional 'Dublin Murder Squad (DMS)'. I imagine Adam Ryan has Irish detective story connections too.

Adam Ryan is the survivor of a childhood missing person's case. As an adult, he goes by his middle name and transforms himself into Rob Ryan—a detective with the Dublin Murder Squad. As the narrator of the story, he's 31 years old and good-looking, with a tall, rangy build.

I just want this election over and done with now.......so we can crack on with the task at hand rather than having to suffer all of the interminable Left/Right/Evil Tories business.....which is a total distraction.