Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

yep. It is a squirrel.

What's the point of removing the privacy clause when the birth certificate does the job?

You say let me see your GRC, he says I don't have one, because I'm not trans, I'm a woman, and here's my birth certificate to prove it.

If a man shows you a birth certificate that says he's a woman what actually can one do?

That is not fireplaces point at all. Her point is KB can say what she likes, there isn't enough money to provide single sex spaces ie hospital wards. Talk is cheap.

Didn’t you link to Labour policy in pp

Why do you say pp is ‘derailing’

And I want to read what @ResisterRex has to say thanks

Essentially I agree with others that this shifts the Overton window. And we do need to shift it to Repeal. Someone said upthread that is probably another electoral term away and I think that seems about right. Tbh if Labour win and they do take us down the Canada route, it could easily end up making the case for Repeal. Probably why they've panicked and said no change is needed.

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It is a squirrel! "Oh no, Kemi has done a kamikaze interview! QUICK - what about Labour? See that GP Gender Self ID squirrel? LOOK AT THAT INSTEAD!!!!"

Absolutely this

What?

You got the first line right, that isn’t clear at all

So do you want GRCs or scrap the GRA? You can’t do both

What about a GRC that doesn't change your birth certificate?

Although, then, what's the bloody point?

I remember when discussing the GRA was considered extreme among the feminists who were campaigning.

Same. And suggesting repeal was taboo. Even amongst what we know call gender critical women.

That's the power of the trans lobby and their no debate bollocks.

Funding is another squirrel. The public sector was awash with cash yet we still had Rotherham for example. Fact is if you want something to happen, it'll happen. This isn't HS2, it's clarifying the law and telling some people NO.

You can say NO for free and write a policy for free. Shock news - it doesn't necessitate outsourcing to a captured "charity"!

yep.

The practicalities are simply not robust enough to withstand reality. A GRC was brought in for legal purposes and it has been expanded, even if just informally, from that intention.

Precision is important when it comes to law. Precison and discrimination. Without them you end up with badly made law which will require further clarification - which is where we're now at.

We need lots more precise detail from Starmer, not wishy washy words about "safe spaces". He's supposed to be a lawyer, you'd think he'd understand this.

True. I missed that bit. That needs to stop first and for as long as we have to have GRCs it needs to be that one certificate or nothing. People struggle to understand this mess precisely because it is a mess re documentation.

No. Actually they are all part of the discussion of the EA.

Can you explain to us how discussing labour's views and their statements on the EA and GRA is not directly appropriate to the Tory manifesto?

Because I think you think you have a great gotcha, when the reality is that you don't.

We already have single sex wards.

I even read about the zoom discussion the next day it was only during Covid.

I was that recent.

That was me.

I do think it will take more time than many women need, but I suspect that it will take that time.

It feels strange though to have posters who don't seem to want politicians to be having this discussion.

Sorry Helleofabore, the thread moved too fast!

Is it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mixed-sex-wards-breach-nhs-streeting-b2534608.html

What is the point in legislating for single sex spaces if there isn't the money to provide them?

That’s just a Labour loyalty thing isn’t it? Party over change

What do you want from Kemi? Did you watch her GMB interview? Neither clear, nor precise.

https://x.com/GMB/status/1797536066917765428/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1797536066917765428&currentTweetUser=GMB&currentTweet=1797536066917765428&currentTweetUser=GMB

I think its the best thing I've watched all year to be honest.

Well there we go. I have a young daughter...I know which way I'll be voting.

It is another thread that feels disconnected to be honest Rex. So, no worries. It is good though that it is fast moving with plenty of discussion.

I think its the best thing I've watched all year to be honest.

bloody hell Cassie. You can't be this blinded, surely.

Even if you hate the Tories, wouldn't you want them to come up with something brilliant, in order to help women?