BBC at it again withholding fact ‘woman’ charged with murdering husband is trans

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You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

Nope.

It clearly means that, because MALE crimes are being recorded as FEMALE crimes, the statistics are being artificially inflated.

It means that MALE crimes are not FEMALE crimes.

And if YOU can't see that then you need to understand the problem a little better.

"doesn't give us as woman the right to label crimes "men's crimes"

And that's NOT what we are doing.

We are labelling TRANSwomen's crimes as "men's crimes". NOT crime in general.

Because they are men.

You are really having a hard time understanding this issue aren't you?

Now you make a good point, one I didn't think of. Given I'm not a feminist and place more value on being me than being sterotyped in a women category. There are far to many different types of woman i'd rather not be lumped in with to be honest.

However the word "our" is still a stereotypical phrase. A new none discrinatory phrase will need to be found to accurately describe the problem, a problem which I can understand feminists would be unhappy with.

No it's definitely you that is spectacularly missing the point.
If a man commits a crime we expect it to be reported and recorded as a male crime. The #notourcrimes is a call for accurate reporting of the facts.

It doesn't matter if you are discussing trans people to start with, when the end result means you are now discriminating against men as a whole. You can't see that?

I honestly understand some of the problems people have with trans issues I do, but it always equates to men are bad, men are terrible. It's awful to see.

Whilst I completely understand what your trying to say, and I'm honestly grateful and enlightened for your explanation on it. The use of the word our is stereotyping. It's discriminatory to both genders when applied objectively.

Violent and sexual crimes are so rarely committed by women that even a few falsely attributed massively distort the stats.

I do want to add I completely now understand your issue with what is happening. These things could so easily be sorted out by creating entire new categories. I've no idea why this whole situation can't be sorted out quickly same with the sport and toilet issues all easily solved and yet no one does. Why is that I wonder?

@Mummy2024 if 92% of murders are committed by men, then the average man is 1,150% more likely to commit murder than the average woman.

Are you really saying you find that insignificant? That the most concerning thing for you is not the orders of magnitude difference in risk posed by men vs women but the fact that women might point it out?

Well, it's unfortunate that trans women belong under the male heading isn't it?
When we discuss them we can't HELP but talk about male crime in general, because they ARE men.
And it absolutely DOES matter if we are discussing trans people to start with.
Artificially inflated crime statistics have a knock-on effect down the line in many ways.

Because trans women don't want to be in a separate category. They want to be the women's category.

Just to demonstrate I'm not making this up here's a relatively recent article that lays it out. It's the Telegraph but the credentials of the author seem impeccable

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/08/trans-identification-skew-crime-statistics/

https://archive.ph/Zk2Ca this link should bypass the paywall

It should be easily resolvable, I agree. Record gender in addition to sex, as opposed to instead of and just one mention of trans in the reporting. It's a waste recording information of any stripe if nonsense like this renders it inaccurate and therefore pointless.

Whilst it maybe true that statistically men commit more violent crime

There's no "maybe" about it. The statistics are overwhelmingly male.

However the word "our" is still a stereotypical phrase. A new none discrinatory phrase will need to be found to accurately describe the problem

No, it won't. It's a pithy slogan that women will continue to use until male violence is no longer the problem that it is, and people stop attributing male crimes to women because male people are claiming to be women. You do you.

Well it's discriminatory. It's litterally blaming all men for another man's crimes.... its not acceptable any more than racism or religious based discrimination. I'm sure you'd be outraged if you saw those things and step into help. Remember that just because the statistics are higher doesn't mean you can label the entire group.

It's no better than more people of colour being stopped more by the police simply because of the colour of their skin.

We have the right to equality yes but in return we should be prepared to show people that we are not willing to lower our standards to discrimination.

What does it matter what they want?? We have a government that makes decisions none of us want everyday.... Making that decision for them, just as decisions are made for us is not discriminatory because it's applied to the whole nation equally in one way or another. If you don't want to me labelled male or a man fine. You can be a trans woman instead and registered as so. It's really not difficult and it doesn't matter what they or we or anyone else would prefer. It would create equality.

Personally I'm not big on labels, it leads to division and stereotyping in all groups, Yes I'm female, yes I like being a woman but it doesn't define me.

It sounds reasonable doesn't it. But we are living in crazy times where we are compelled to be part of lies and untruths instead of being able to state the scientific reality of what we see with our own eyes.

They are men’s crimes. How else would you say it? Non female crimes? Not our crimes sums it up precisely.

Yep all solved now. Just tell the TRAs men can't be women. Why didn't we think of that?

Oh hang on we did, there were threats, and tantrums and more threats and refusals to comply. Did I mention the threats? Rape, murder, doxing, jobs lost, cancellation.

I personally feel toxic masculinity is more to blame for these statistics than gender.

No one is born to be bad man or woman, male or female.

The suicide rate is also far higher in men personally I feel that is because they have been conditioned from a young age to suppress emotions, this has an effect on their ability to regulate them, that includes anger also.

Hating on an entire Gender for the actions of a few is hardly going to solve the problem it will only lead men to hate woman In return.

Did I say that though??? Did I? No I didn't. I said make them trans woman. No doubt you won't like that Idea either though will you....

Is a woman capable of the same crime this person has committed?? Well yes actually I posted one. So NO they are not MENS crimes. They are A single male crime. Seriously why can't some people just stop stereotyping. It's ludicrous.

No one is hating on the entire male sex. No one is saying anyone is born that way. I personally believe it's because of the messages society sends men as they grow up. I would like to make that better.

The first step is to recognise the pattern exists and ask why. That's the right response. Not saying we shouldn't notice the pattern because it's not fair.

That's exactly what most GC people suggest. But the mantra is 'trans women are women' and if you disagree then, well see JK Rowling and her enough death threats to wallpaper the house.

It's not noticing the pattern that I take issue with it's the stereotyping. "It's like this because they are men"

It's not our fault it's nothing woman did or can do to stop it so we should just blame the fact they are men.

The truth is they all came from a woman, every last one of them. Personally I've placed alot of responsibility in my own parenting to let my kids know. Violence against woman is not acceptable.

It's not ok to say their gender determines their pre disposal to comit Violence or that woman do it less so that's OK it's a "man's crime"