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BBC at it again withholding fact ‘woman’ charged with murdering husband is trans

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Heylo · 02/06/2024 23:48

You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

Andrew Rowland-Stuart, who died at his home on 27 May, smiling, wearing a grey t-shirt and grey waistcoat

Brighton: Woman, 70, in court over husband's death

Emergency services were called to a flat where the victim was pronounced dead, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

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Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:16

FlirtsWithRhinos · 11/06/2024 00:00

No one is hating on the entire male sex. No one is saying anyone is born that way. I personally believe it's because of the messages society sends men as they grow up. I would like to make that better.

The first step is to recognise the pattern exists and ask why. That's the right response. Not saying we shouldn't notice the pattern because it's not fair.

The reality is that toxic masculinity enforced upon them by society as whole, is what results in an inability to regulate emotions in a calm and rational way. The same ideals are not imposed on woman and that right there is why the statistics are the way they are. It has absolutely nothing to do with their gender.

So until that is recognised and addressed as a societal problem that we ALL have an opportunity to fix, the problem will remain.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:17

It's not ok to say their gender determines their pre disposal to comit Violence

Not "gender", their sex. And it does, so it's ok to point that out. Most violence against women is committed by men, not other women. Most violence against men is committed by other men. Not women. Men who identify as women's crimes are male pattern crimes, not female pattern.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:17

It's not ok to say their gender determines their pre disposal to comit Violence

Not "gender", their sex. And it does, so it's ok to point that out. Most violence against women is committed by men, not other women. Most violence against men is committed by other men. Not women. Men who identify as women's crimes are male pattern crimes, not female pattern.

Men who have been subjected to something that woman have not... by both woman and men.... their gender is not the problem. The conditioning by society and stereotypical ideals being imposed upon them by almost everyone they meet, has.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:17

It's not ok to say their gender determines their pre disposal to comit Violence

Not "gender", their sex. And it does, so it's ok to point that out. Most violence against women is committed by men, not other women. Most violence against men is committed by other men. Not women. Men who identify as women's crimes are male pattern crimes, not female pattern.

Their sex DOES NOT pre-dispose them to be violent if it did why are so many men not violent?

Annanirvana · 11/06/2024 00:21

Mummy2024 · 10/06/2024 21:54

It came up by accident, I don't stalk these boards believe me.... I'm all for equality not discrimination. I'll try to avoid it but unfortunately the name of the thread was enough for me to enter the thread. Then when I see not our crimes that absolutely infuriates me. How dare other woman equate woman's crimes to all woman. It blew me up in a big way.

Mummy2024, that's exactly what you're doing. You've totally missed the point. Women's crimes are being reported as carried out by women. #notourcrimes is a video showing violent crimes that have been committed by men who "identify" as women and more importantly, are being reported as having been committed by women. Also Police forces are recording these lies. Women have every right to object to this and if indeed you are a woman, you would agree, since you would know that it is men, no matter how they identify, that commit the vast majority of violent and Sexual assaults.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:23

Annanirvana · 11/06/2024 00:21

Mummy2024, that's exactly what you're doing. You've totally missed the point. Women's crimes are being reported as carried out by women. #notourcrimes is a video showing violent crimes that have been committed by men who "identify" as women and more importantly, are being reported as having been committed by women. Also Police forces are recording these lies. Women have every right to object to this and if indeed you are a woman, you would agree, since you would know that it is men, no matter how they identify, that commit the vast majority of violent and Sexual assaults.

Police are recording what lies??? Men maybe committing more of these crimes but it isn't because they are men... you think only you are allowed an opinion? If people respond I will respond and if you don't like that do not respond. I won't keep you...

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:25

Annanirvana · 11/06/2024 00:21

Mummy2024, that's exactly what you're doing. You've totally missed the point. Women's crimes are being reported as carried out by women. #notourcrimes is a video showing violent crimes that have been committed by men who "identify" as women and more importantly, are being reported as having been committed by women. Also Police forces are recording these lies. Women have every right to object to this and if indeed you are a woman, you would agree, since you would know that it is men, no matter how they identify, that commit the vast majority of violent and Sexual assaults.

By the way I haven't been abusive to anyone and I've even taken on board some people's points that I hadn't considered maybe you should do the same instead of blanket blaming all men, simply for being men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:35

Their sex DOES NOT pre-dispose them to be violent if it did why are so many men not violent?

What? It predisposes the statistical likelihood of their committing a violent crime as much higher than a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:37

Men maybe committing more of these crimes

It's overwhelmingly the case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:38

Police are recording what lies???

The lie that a woman committed a crime, when it was a man.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:39

Runningupthecurtains · 11/06/2024 00:04

That's exactly what most GC people suggest. But the mantra is 'trans women are women' and if you disagree then, well see JK Rowling and her enough death threats to wallpaper the house.

I do agree that it's an issue. For a long time I felt let people be who they want to be. I don't place much value on labels so for me it's not to much of an issue, but I've now come to see the legitimate unfairness in some issues such as sport and the toilet issue. So regardless of how trans people feel they do need to see that there is legitimate inequality in what they are asking for and accept a compromise.

Personally I wouldn't even call a trans woman I'd call her a woman if that's what she wanted but the fact remains that there is material unfairness and inequality to another group so they need to compromise.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:37

Men maybe committing more of these crimes

It's overwhelmingly the case.

That is not In question.... the point is that they are not committing them because they are men.... its getting a bit tedious if I'm honest. If it was because they were men all men would be doing it....

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:35

Their sex DOES NOT pre-dispose them to be violent if it did why are so many men not violent?

What? It predisposes the statistical likelihood of their committing a violent crime as much higher than a woman.

No toxic masculinity does.... you would do well to look up the term. This is something imposed on them by nearly everyone in society, the same is not imposed on woman.

If being a man pre disposes them to being violent, why are so many men not violent?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:46

They are committing what is often called "male pattern violence". Male typical crime is different to female typical crime. Not sure what you're finding so difficult to grasp @Mummy2024 and yes I agree this is tedious.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:48

Anyway, we can surely agree that we should be able to trust the police and authorities not to lie to us, no?

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:46

They are committing what is often called "male pattern violence". Male typical crime is different to female typical crime. Not sure what you're finding so difficult to grasp @Mummy2024 and yes I agree this is tedious.

3 times I've asked you and 3 times you have avoided the question.... I wonder why....

Male pattern violence is a result of toxic masculinity and absolutely nothing to do with being male. Females are not subject to the same and is the reason they are less violent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:50

That's your opinion. I'm talking about statistics, not my ideas about why males commit more violent crimes.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:48

Anyway, we can surely agree that we should be able to trust the police and authorities not to lie to us, no?

Yes I didn't even realise it was an issue until this post if I'm honest. It should be recorded accurately even if that means a new category. It could be done why it isn't I'll never know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:51

Due to the powerful "trans rights" agenda @Mummy2024

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:50

That's your opinion. I'm talking about statistics, not my ideas about why males commit more violent crimes.

Whilst it's statistically accurate that males commit more violent crime. It's not ok to specifically blame the fact that it's because they are male. It also won't solve the problem and will ultimately make it worse.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:54

Whilst it's statistically accurate that males commit more violent crime.

Yes, it is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:57

Yes I didn't even realise it was an issue until this post if I'm honest

Yes, it is. This is the feminism board when you can learn all about this issue.

Mummy2024 · 11/06/2024 00:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 00:54

Whilst it's statistically accurate that males commit more violent crime.

Yes, it is.

If your not willing to see the point then you will remain apart of the problem I'm afraid.

Males are subjected to an environment from a very early age that females are not, they are taught men are strong keep in those emotions and that leads to an inability to regulate emotions and outbursts of uncontrollable violence.

If this isn't recognised by society as a whole and changed we will never stop the pattern.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 01:02

If you're not willing to see the point then you will remain apart of the problem I'm afraid.

Oh well 🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/06/2024 01:04

Reminder that I didn't offer any opinions on why men are more violent than women. Just that they are. Which you acknowledge.