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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

Grin https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/vHudcvW0bSQ?si=kj-pX6z_ioL6l3nj

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Floisme · 24/05/2024 16:50

By challenging the Leader of the Opposition, particularly as he is not a rampant TRA, it would leave Kellie open to accusations of attacking the Labour party, not the TRA ideology, making it easier to dismiss her and what she stands for.
After all, Rishi Sunak at one point found himself unable to define a woman. Why not challenge him and get the same discussion? Why not challenge the Leader of the Liberal Democrats?
Given that she can only stand in one constituency, I think it would have been entirely reasonable to choose the one held by the MP who's widely expected to be the next Prime MInister, especially given his publicised plans for reforming the GRA and banning conversion therapy.

As for not attacking the Labour Party, well I don't really understand why not. I think they deserve to be attacked for their stance, and I say that as someone who's still trying to keep an open mind about voting for them, at least until I've read their manifesto.

As I say, LRM is insignificant. I doubt whether anyone who doesn't follow this issue or live in his constituency has even heard of him. I think it's a waste.

I admire KJK and think she's much braver than I am and I have no intention of spending the next 6 weeks carping from the side lines. But when I heard the news, I felt a bit deflated.

(Edited to correct my own grammar.)

Floisme · 24/05/2024 16:52

Sloejelly · 24/05/2024 15:51

he'd react by refusing to work with any gender critical women - including the ones in his own party?

Like Rosie Duffield?

Ha yes, you've got me there Grin And the Labour Women's Declaration.
Ok yes, he really is that thin skinned.

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 16:58

DrSpartacularsUltraFeminism · 24/05/2024 16:44

Anyone thinking that she'll get fewer votes because it's a high % TRA constituency is naive. It's often these areas that have the greatest proportion of 'GC' support, as has been seen on petition/donation rate maps.

So why alienate the soc fems then? Brighton is full of GC Soc fems

Helleofabore · 24/05/2024 17:14

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 16:58

So why alienate the soc fems then? Brighton is full of GC Soc fems

I think you will find that it the socialist feminists of Brighton, with their published sin page of Kellie Jay Keen, are never going to support Kellie Jay.

And let's not forget that Kellie Jay went to Brighton to do a Let Women Speak event, and how many Brighton socialist feminists came? And how many then participated in demonising her for supposedly allowing some random group who she had no control over to film and stream the event? And how many demonised her for abiding by her policy to let any woman speak, even the right wing ones, when a woman they didn't agree with spoke?

I suspect that there is absolutely nothing that Kellie Jay Keen can do that will not 'alienate' that group of feminists. And they are already well and truly alienated complete with a published sin page still available on their website.

So, should that have shaped Kellie Jay's choice of where to stand? Considering she will never get their support whatever she does?

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 18:21

Ok thanks for the explanation. I don't know the full background so maybe missing something but it would seem very childish for a prospective MP not to support existing women's rights campaigns in the constituency because of petty squabbles between feminists.

AdamRyan · 24/05/2024 18:24

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 18:21

Ok thanks for the explanation. I don't know the full background so maybe missing something but it would seem very childish for a prospective MP not to support existing women's rights campaigns in the constituency because of petty squabbles between feminists.

Here's the "sin page". You can decide for yourself how outrageous it is Hmm

https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

Woman’s Place and Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) - Woman's Place UK

There is much misinformation about WPUK's position in relation to Kellie-Jay Keen (Posie Parker). Read WPUK's statement to find out more...

https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker

Helleofabore · 24/05/2024 18:53

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 18:21

Ok thanks for the explanation. I don't know the full background so maybe missing something but it would seem very childish for a prospective MP not to support existing women's rights campaigns in the constituency because of petty squabbles between feminists.

I also suggest that you go to the original sources of Kellie Jay saying these things before making your decision on whether the sin page has it accurately portrayed. Just ask if you would like transcripts or links. By now, most of it has been covered repeatedly on this board.

AdamRyan · 24/05/2024 19:10

You could just browse KJKs twitter and YouTube to see if it's fair too.

This is a helpful thread
https://x.com/FireyRoxy/status/1763851682746642794

itsmylife7 · 24/05/2024 19:13

Great news.

Sloejelly · 24/05/2024 20:09

Rather than listen to hearsay by someone seeking to undermine her, here is KJK Twitter:

https://x.com/theposieparker

And her YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@KellieJayKeen

x.com

https://x.com/theposieparker

Seriestwo · 24/05/2024 20:15

I respect what KJK has done in elevating women’s voices and our rights, but if she wants to be taken seriously in politics this sort of approach isn’t going to be helpful. It smacks of someone who thinks adding “I just say it like it is” is good debate.
https://x.com/harlequinpub/status/1794066001803243572?s=46

x.com

https://x.com/harlequinpub/status/1794066001803243572?s=46

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 20:29

Seriestwo · 24/05/2024 20:15

I respect what KJK has done in elevating women’s voices and our rights, but if she wants to be taken seriously in politics this sort of approach isn’t going to be helpful. It smacks of someone who thinks adding “I just say it like it is” is good debate.
https://x.com/harlequinpub/status/1794066001803243572?s=46

Christ! That's really extreme. I can't imagine how that will go down in Brighton. I can't see how an MP can claim trans people don't deserve equal employment opportunities and protection from discrimination. That wouldn't be taken seriously in any constituency, let alone Brighton Kemp Town.

parttimeweddingplanner · 24/05/2024 20:44

Helleofabore · 24/05/2024 17:14

I think you will find that it the socialist feminists of Brighton, with their published sin page of Kellie Jay Keen, are never going to support Kellie Jay.

And let's not forget that Kellie Jay went to Brighton to do a Let Women Speak event, and how many Brighton socialist feminists came? And how many then participated in demonising her for supposedly allowing some random group who she had no control over to film and stream the event? And how many demonised her for abiding by her policy to let any woman speak, even the right wing ones, when a woman they didn't agree with spoke?

I suspect that there is absolutely nothing that Kellie Jay Keen can do that will not 'alienate' that group of feminists. And they are already well and truly alienated complete with a published sin page still available on their website.

So, should that have shaped Kellie Jay's choice of where to stand? Considering she will never get their support whatever she does?

If you don't think it's the very reason she's standing in Brighton, you still haven't worked out how KJK works.

She's an outrage merchant, who makes money and gains notoriety out of creating contraversy. That going to Brighton caused a reaction amongst feminists who understand what a grifter she is, was exactly what she wanted. It gives her attention, someone to rail against and gets people talking. The best the Brighton Soc Fems (if there even is such a group) could do is ignore her IMO.

She was probably worried Kier Starmer would just ignore her tbh. More chance of having a fight in Brighton - with LRM, the TRAs or the Soc Fems.

Seriestwo · 24/05/2024 20:48

she May as well have wrapped the gift she handed the Labour candidate.

who is advising her? Has she got a team who are experienced in politics or are they all activists?

parttimeweddingplanner · 24/05/2024 20:49

Seriestwo · 24/05/2024 20:48

she May as well have wrapped the gift she handed the Labour candidate.

who is advising her? Has she got a team who are experienced in politics or are they all activists?

Advice? She's a narc, she doesn't listen to other people.

parttimeweddingplanner · 24/05/2024 20:54

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 20:29

Christ! That's really extreme. I can't imagine how that will go down in Brighton. I can't see how an MP can claim trans people don't deserve equal employment opportunities and protection from discrimination. That wouldn't be taken seriously in any constituency, let alone Brighton Kemp Town.

Isn't it.

That's a rare example of genine, actual transphobia.

Not in my name.

AdamRyan · 24/05/2024 21:06

Sloejelly · 24/05/2024 20:09

Rather than listen to hearsay by someone seeking to undermine her, here is KJK Twitter:

https://x.com/theposieparker

And her YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@KellieJayKeen

Edited

Yep. Def watch her youtube and read her twitter, it gives a very clear idea of who you are voting for/giving money to.

Goutfi · 24/05/2024 22:08

Seriestwo · 24/05/2024 20:15

I respect what KJK has done in elevating women’s voices and our rights, but if she wants to be taken seriously in politics this sort of approach isn’t going to be helpful. It smacks of someone who thinks adding “I just say it like it is” is good debate.
https://x.com/harlequinpub/status/1794066001803243572?s=46

Woah, this is genuinely transphobic. Definitely not at all helpful for women’s rights.

TheRozzers · 24/05/2024 22:57

Woah, this is genuinely transphobic. Definitely not at all helpful for women’s rights.

This. WTF was she thinking?!

I'm not surprised the Soc fems in Brighton want to distance themselves.

Needmoresleep · 24/05/2024 23:23

It’s always interesting to see which threads attract Adam and his friends. KJK is like catnip.

I met some folk from Brighton Kemptown a couple of days ago, who happily acknowledged their town’s unique reputation. They had liked LR-M when first elected as he had appeared young and enthusiastic. However had gone off him since. They were not aware of the ugly scenes in Parliament but were not surprised that he could be unpleasant and angry.

They had heard a rumour that he did not plan to stand again. Is this a possibility?

missmousemouth · 24/05/2024 23:39

🤦‍♀️

Yikes. Awful. She revealed herself there and it's going to be difficult for her to come back from that.

Datun · 24/05/2024 23:43

It’s always interesting to see which threads attract Adam and his friends. KJK is like catnip.

Totally. I genuinely think TRAs watch her more than her supporters do.

Toseland · 24/05/2024 23:46

The EDI Jester has the same view - he has a youtube video about it... I think I agree; you shouldn't employ activists in your organisation who could destroy it from within.

AdamRyan · 25/05/2024 00:13

Needmoresleep · 24/05/2024 23:23

It’s always interesting to see which threads attract Adam and his friends. KJK is like catnip.

I met some folk from Brighton Kemptown a couple of days ago, who happily acknowledged their town’s unique reputation. They had liked LR-M when first elected as he had appeared young and enthusiastic. However had gone off him since. They were not aware of the ugly scenes in Parliament but were not surprised that he could be unpleasant and angry.

They had heard a rumour that he did not plan to stand again. Is this a possibility?

I'm not a man. Not that I'm bothered you think I am but in the interests of accuracy I feel I should say
Plus I know precisely noone on this board irl

AdamRyan · 25/05/2024 00:15

Datun · 24/05/2024 23:43

It’s always interesting to see which threads attract Adam and his friends. KJK is like catnip.

Totally. I genuinely think TRAs watch her more than her supporters do.

I'm also not a TRA and that says more about you than me 🤣

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