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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK is standing against Lloyd Russell-Mole in the General Election

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BoreOfWhabylon · 23/05/2024 14:20

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Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 08:40

Yes, but KJK is standing on a single issue and directly challenging the current incumbent.

There is no need for her to go anywhere near Gaza or immigration. The women of Kemptown have a chance for a protest vote on an issue that matters to them, without voting Conservative (who if you saw LRMs aggressive behaviour towards Miriam Cates in Parliament, you would know are also reasonably sound on the issue) Reform or Galloway.

WhatWillSwingIt · 27/05/2024 08:41

BackToLurk · 27/05/2024 08:24

No. You might sack a man for getting married. It’s unlikely, but if you did they would be covered.

Regarding sex, if for example a woman worked in an all-female workplace but was sacked for being pregnant there is no way that could be described as unfair treatment on the basis of her sex.

I disagree. If you had a workplace where all employees were Sikhs but only one of those insisted on wearing a turban, which led to them getting sacked because of it, it would still be religious discrimination.

BackToLurk · 27/05/2024 08:54

WhatWillSwingIt · 27/05/2024 08:41

I disagree. If you had a workplace where all employees were Sikhs but only one of those insisted on wearing a turban, which led to them getting sacked because of it, it would still be religious discrimination.

That’s not how the law works. You need to be able to demonstrate that you are treated differently to someone who doesn’t hold the PC. Your example is interesting as the employee wouldn’t be being sacked because of their religion, but because of how they expressed it. The employer would presumably need to demonstrate what legitimate reason there was for banning a turban. If the employer only employs Sikhs they are clearly not routinely discriminating against Sikhs.

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 08:58

A polite request.

Could someone start a separate thread to discuss the finer details of the Equalities Act.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/05/2024 08:59

The FWR board has been subject to completely different , harsher posting rules than any other board on mumsnet

at one point it was deleting posters for using the word ‘man’, saying ‘bless’ or ‘yawn’ got you deleted, using the biscuit symbol could get you deleted as well….and thats a mumsnet approved emoji!

the reporting for the FWR board was opened up to people who weren’t even posters on mumsnet

so i do not believe that in this brave new world a few FWR regulars who half the time aren’t even
fans of KJK and who have caused mnhq no end of problems now have the power of getting an entire thread removed just by asking nicely

apologies to what and need who have put this thread back on track

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/05/2024 08:59

Or maybe they haven’t 😀

Sloejelly · 27/05/2024 09:01

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 08:58

A polite request.

Could someone start a separate thread to discuss the finer details of the Equalities Act.

We could if such an act existed…

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 09:04

Sloejelly · 27/05/2024 09:01

We could if such an act existed…

Whatever.

I wish there were a mute function.

A thread to discuss the deliciousness of LRM vs KJK and all we get is a load of rambling on other topics.

It is as if people deliberately wanted to divert discussion.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 27/05/2024 09:07

Star96 · 26/05/2024 18:27

She won’t get many votes anyway, especially as such a narrow minded single issue personality. We’ve already got a plan to deal with her campaign and we won’t be engaging with her social media attention seeking

How disrespectful to an opponent and the wider population. Does your plan involve finding a more suitable MP candidate out of interest because LRM, extremely narrow-minded himself and with his attempts to intimidate women MPs plus his general violent, over-emotional rhetoric, has proven himself to be utterly unfit for public office.

Sloejelly · 27/05/2024 09:08

I disagree. If you had a workplace where all employees were Sikhs but only one of those insisted on wearing a turban, which led to them getting sacked because of it, it would still be religious discrimination.

It would still be religious discrimination but not because he is a Sikh but because he believes in a form of Sikhism which requires him to wear a turban vs people who do not have this belief (which would include the other Sikhs in his workplace)

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 09:12

Not to worry. Star96 has a plan…..

Datun · 27/05/2024 09:19

Star96 · Yesterday 18:27

She won’t get many votes anyway, especially as such a narrow minded single issue personality. We’ve already got a plan to deal with her campaign and we won’t be engaging with her social media attention seeking

Who is 'we'? that has to be someone from LRM's office, otherwise it wouldn't be written like that.

Is LRM going to refuse to engage with KJK? Because capital can be made out of that too.

Far better to face your detractors.

BezMills · 27/05/2024 09:21

KJK is some woman. She's got people coming on Mumsnet (where she hasn't posted for half a decade) to tell us how she's not going to win because they have a plan. It's like HOW DOES SHE DO THAT?

BackToLurk · 27/05/2024 09:24

Sloejelly · 27/05/2024 09:08

I disagree. If you had a workplace where all employees were Sikhs but only one of those insisted on wearing a turban, which led to them getting sacked because of it, it would still be religious discrimination.

It would still be religious discrimination but not because he is a Sikh but because he believes in a form of Sikhism which requires him to wear a turban vs people who do not have this belief (which would include the other Sikhs in his workplace)

Presumably this is similar to how the hijab etc is treated, ie not all Muslim women cover themselves but you shouldn’t be discriminating against those who do?

NoWordForFluffy · 27/05/2024 09:25

They're sufficiently concerned about her to have had a meeting and developed 'a plan'.

Good luck in controlling Mr Spittle-Flecked Raging-Misogynist's temper in your plan. 😬🤣

BezMills · 27/05/2024 09:30

Risk Register, Item 1
LRM Goes Radge
Severity : High
Probability : 100% if he meets KJK, or hears about KJK
Mitigation : Avoid KJK. Do not mention KJK.
Additional Actions : Go to Mumsnet and tell them we have a plan. So ner.

EasternStandard · 27/05/2024 09:32

BezMills · 27/05/2024 09:21

KJK is some woman. She's got people coming on Mumsnet (where she hasn't posted for half a decade) to tell us how she's not going to win because they have a plan. It's like HOW DOES SHE DO THAT?

Ah your posts make me laugh

At least we have humour 😬

Signalbox · 27/05/2024 09:43

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/05/2024 08:59

The FWR board has been subject to completely different , harsher posting rules than any other board on mumsnet

at one point it was deleting posters for using the word ‘man’, saying ‘bless’ or ‘yawn’ got you deleted, using the biscuit symbol could get you deleted as well….and thats a mumsnet approved emoji!

the reporting for the FWR board was opened up to people who weren’t even posters on mumsnet

so i do not believe that in this brave new world a few FWR regulars who half the time aren’t even
fans of KJK and who have caused mnhq no end of problems now have the power of getting an entire thread removed just by asking nicely

apologies to what and need who have put this thread back on track

I got a post deleted the other day for responding to a poster “why change the habit of a lifetime”. They are definitely a bit trigger happy on here.

AdamRyan · 27/05/2024 09:47

NoWordForFluffy · 27/05/2024 09:25

They're sufficiently concerned about her to have had a meeting and developed 'a plan'.

Good luck in controlling Mr Spittle-Flecked Raging-Misogynist's temper in your plan. 😬🤣

I would assume having a plan to differentiate yourself from the other candidates is rule 101 in politics. LRM probably also has a plan for the Tory, Green, Reform etc candidates too.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/05/2024 09:49

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 09:12

Not to worry. Star96 has a plan…..

If it doesn’t involve cake then im not interested

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/05/2024 09:51

Signalbox · 27/05/2024 09:43

I got a post deleted the other day for responding to a poster “why change the habit of a lifetime”. They are definitely a bit trigger happy on here.

Really?

wow, i might have to add that to my list of stuff not to say 😀

Datun · 27/05/2024 09:53

BezMills · 27/05/2024 09:21

KJK is some woman. She's got people coming on Mumsnet (where she hasn't posted for half a decade) to tell us how she's not going to win because they have a plan. It's like HOW DOES SHE DO THAT?

I know more about KJK and what she's doing from the people who come on here to slag her off than any other way 😀

I genuinely think they believe all her supporters are actually on this board. And criticising her here will diminish her support.

When the criticism is clearly personally motivated or out of frustration that they can't shut her down, it's going to have the opposite effect. Whether people generally support KJK or not.

It's a measure of the woman's ability to self publicise, that her detractors end up spreading her message 😁

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 09:53

The plan is not to engage with KJK's social media "attention seeking".

Instead the plan seems to be to go on social media to say you are not going to engage with KJK's social media.

Its a bit like the toddler who covers their eyes in the hope that you then cannot see them.

FWIW KJK's own plan will be to gain attention for the need for women to be able to define themselves and for sex based protections. Attention seeking maybe, but isn't that what politicians do when they campaign. Evidence to date is that she is very good at this.

(I am loving the variants of the plan. Keep them coming. Somehow I have a vision of Kempton CLP meeting in a set from Dad's Army.)

WhatWillSwingIt · 27/05/2024 09:54

BackToLurk · 27/05/2024 08:54

That’s not how the law works. You need to be able to demonstrate that you are treated differently to someone who doesn’t hold the PC. Your example is interesting as the employee wouldn’t be being sacked because of their religion, but because of how they expressed it. The employer would presumably need to demonstrate what legitimate reason there was for banning a turban. If the employer only employs Sikhs they are clearly not routinely discriminating against Sikhs.

I am not so sure. It is as though you believe a workplace must employ both men and women in order to be demonstrated to discriminate based on sex. Or must employ both religious and non religious people, in order to demonstrate they are discriminating based on religion. A tiny workplace with only two employees could be proven to discriminate based on sex, for example, if the boss insisted that a woman with large breasts worked front of house doing lighter and more enjoyable work, whereas the woman with smaller breasts was working out the back doing the tedious work with no natural light. The unfair treatment of the woman in the back room would be because she was being held to unfair standards on the basis of her sex, even though there were no male employees to compare her to.

Needmoresleep · 27/05/2024 09:56

We could also work up a plan. KJK will have one of her own but there is no reason why the MN Terven should not work up one of their own.

It would involve Tunnocks. Perhaps even a Colin Caterpillar Cake.

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