General Election 4 July 2024

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Heard it on the radio.

Newspapers yet to report.

Magic chicken is possible but the portions of chicken are mere flavouring like the value range. (2%Chicken 98% cheap veg. )

If you magic chicken the NHS appointments and ambulances are going to be as rare as hens' teeth!

There ain't no magic money tree. If you want NHS spending you are going to have to increase taxes somewhere for the majority. There aren't enough "rich" people to tax.

I have no idea why anyone thinks Labour is going to turn things around - I’ve seen no evidence, I just keep hearing ‘we’ll do it better’.

it’s also in no way a single issue, as pointed out previously, women are 51% of the population. Women are most likely the ones to shoulder the burden of child rearing, the worry over their education, the ones to book NHS appointments, the ones to care for elderly relatives, to control the family finances. The personal is the political! Women’s right have been in existence for so little time and they are so fragile. 1992 was the year when marital rape became illegal, 1992 !! If women are not secured in law by being named in law, then all of the above falls apart, and society will quickly follow.

Anyone that says this is a single voting issue doesn’t give a shit about women or the fact that they are currently holding up society on all the above areas and more in these austere times.

We need to start looking after ourselves first, so we can then look after everyone else, because that’s what we will do anyway.

’After the revolution, sister’ - fuck that shit, we need to be protected in law.

I swear, if we weren’t too busy looking after everyone else, we’d be burning the fucking lot down.

And don't think you won't go to prison...neither did the postmasters. Labour are happy for male rapists to go to women's prison if they claim they are women...

You never know when disaster will strike and you'll need single sex services.

I get a bit tired of all this « if you vote Labour you don’t care about women » or « if you vote Tory you don’t care about the poor » etc. People are entitled to their own priorities. For me, the sex-based issues are important ones of principle and if changes are made they’ll be hard to row back from. But then I would never vote Labour anyway. Did it once in my youth. That was plenty.

There ain't no magic money tree. If you want NHS spending you are going to have to increase taxes somewhere for the majority. There aren't enough "rich" people to tax.

So what is the answer? How do we fix the NHS? Education? Transport? Crime? Social care? Why are things so bad and where is all the money? Why does it have to be all about money? How and who can improve all this? Who will do it?

I think one element of the answer is to get the electorate to realise that we can’t have Scandinavian social democracy on American income tax levels.

But to do that we would need a govt, civil service and public sector that didn’t waste time and/or public money and which were able to solidly demonstrate to citizens a real link between improved public services and higher taxation.

I think in today’s social climate that this is too big an ask because a society needs people to be pulling together to achieve these goals and our modern, liberal societies are a little too individualistic for that stronger sense of community.

I cannot understand for the life of me why any informed woman thinks that is more important that the absolute state of our country in terms of leadership around the economy, the environment, and the lack of social contract that we are seeing all around us.

I cannot understand why women value our own sex so little that they accept this has to be "either or".

Why the hell should I have to agree that women as a sex class have no legitimate voice, rights or identity before I can expect a government that will invest in adequate public services?

Would the posters who believe women are unreasonable for saying this is a consideration for their vote be as ready to exhort Jewish people to vote for a party that had anti Semetic policies, or Palestinian sympathisers to vote for a party that told them if an Israeli person wants to identify as Palestinian and occupy Palestinian territories and speak as a Palestinian the Palestinian people have no moral right to object?

Excellent post @UtopiaPlanitia

I do not understand voters who think undermining the rights and safety of over 50% of the population is somehow a side issue.

I do not understand how anyone can think compelling people to lie, and writing that into law, is somehow a fringe issue.

I can't see how anyone who is aware that we are in the midst of a huge unfolding medical scandal due to a modern quasi religious movement desperate to trans away the gay and surgically remove the healthy body parts off of gay, autistic and looked after children cannot think this is a fucking priority.

I cannot imagine why anyone would want to see a political party in power who promote the new Gay Conversion Therapy and intend on banning exploratory therapy because they are literally too stupid, too homophobic, too sexist, too ill-informed or too cowardly to address the gender bigots within their own ranks.

And you think you can trust them on more complex issues? Right-oh.

I’m beginning to wonder about women putting ourselves last in comparison to the needs of others politically as well as personally.

We feel that our children need good schools, our parents and families need a good NHS, we feel that infrastructure will help partners and spouses (and us) get and keep employment more easily. So we feel that discussing our needs as a class is putting ourselves above the needs of those who matter to us. We feel we have to concentrate on getting their needs sorted before we can take the time to campaign for the things we need.

But I also think we need to follow the advice given on airlines: we need to put on our oxygen mask first to make sure that we’re able to help our dependents. So, politically, if we keep putting everybody else’s needs first ours will never be taken seriously by political parties because we don’t take them seriously.

We need to ensure that women keep everything that previous generations of women fought for that allow us to equally and safely participate in society and/or employment; removing the stress relating to those daily aspects of life will leave us much more mental and physical energy to put into our lives and thus into the lives of those that matter to us. We can’t be running around feeling ragged and stressed, and having our needs ignored by larger society/public institutions, and expect to be productive happy people and citizens.

We tell each other that it’s a good idea to articulate our needs on a personal level in relationships, so we should also tell each other than it’s just as vital to articulate our needs on a societal and political level. Fixing the issues that concern women would benefit women AND wider society would benefit from that.

Politicians see politics as being about practicalities so women should see politics that way too - what have they done for us lately? What can we hold them to? When is the relationship no longer working? When is it time to move on and use our support to win their support?

There are so many smart, thoughtful, talented, funny, kind, blunt, tactful, supportive, and creative women on this board and we don’t always agree on how to achieve things but we agree that women are worth listening to. I want politicians and institutions to realise as well that women are worth listening to.

And we are still paying for those PFIs, not to even mention a chunk of those PFIs are coming to the end of their useful life. Having only been built to suit the population at the time and to be obsolete in a set number of years. Which likely means itll happen all over again.

So we will be saddled with something similar at even greater cost. And as a pp mentioned, labour pretty much chuntered throughout their last term in office about conservatives fucking it all up previously. More of that to come too.

^We need to start looking after ourselves first, so we can then look after everyone else, because that’s what we will do anyway.

’After the revolution, sister’ - fuck that shit, we need to be protected in law.^

👏👏 well said!

The only "positive" about a July election is that it comes right after the Holy Month of Pride.