Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

Emma has been bisexual for ages, out as bisexual - regardless of how you feel about gender identity, bisexuals experience homophobia.
Yes they're currently in a relationship with a man, but they haven't always been.

I presume a female one rather than one of those more interesting male ones.

Another impact of Queer Theory. Outside of Queer Theory discussion groups, everything has to be qualified now. Actual woman. Actual lesbian. Again, it’s what the Queer Theorists want: no boundaries between words.

High-profile subjects of puff pieces in glossy mags will get approval

Artists and performers talking about their gender identity is the new interview trope that's replaced the previously standard '... I was an outsider/didn't fit in as a kid...'. For me, whatever the word count, it marks them out as someone who thinks, by rote of not wanting to 'fit in' they're being subversive, edgy and special when they're just looking for a tribe to fit into - like most of us (with the exception of real subversives - for whom having an identity to talk about in interviews - as well as interviews themselves - would be an anathema).

What possible threat does EC pose to "womens sex based rights"?

As we have recently seen with the BRITs, pushing for gender-neutral awards categories (which EC is doing) threatens women's sex-based rights, as it makes it extraordinarily easy to have all-male shortlists.

I also believe that identifying as non-binary (like all queer theory) further pushes the narrative that anyone who doesn't fit with the stereotype of their biological sex isn't 'really' a man/woman, therefore damaging the right of women to be protected under law as an 'adult human female' regardless of their interests and appearance.

It's a difficult one, as I believe adults should have the right to define as non-binary if they want to (and that other adults should have the right to roll their eyes at them), but I don't think you can pretend it doesn't have a wider societal impact.

Women should not be suffering abuse because they are different. Feminists should be supporting them, not denying and minimising the abuse because they aren't a pure enough victim, and attacking other feminists for daring to disagree.

I completely agree, but while it is possible EC has experienced 'vitriol' (their words) since coming out as non-binary, what they have NOT experienced is homophobia.

Strikes me as scating awfully close to the idea that it's just an ordinary part of the nature of things for lesbian women to be subjected to abuse.

Non-binary as a movement isn't helpful to women. But I am also not going to criticise young women for taking the "non-binary" option in a world thats increasingly sexualised, misogynistic and hostile to women. It seems to me like a rational choice to opt out of womanhood if you can.

Attacking EC for making it will be counterproductive I think as it just comes across as prejudice and will stop other GNC women from listening to what feminists have to say about the choice to be non-binary.

Splitting hairs. In my opinion, a homophobe abusing someone on the basis the homophobe thinks they are gay is homophobia.

In my opinion homophobia is to do with the intent of the perpetrator, mot the sexuality of the victim.

Yes. I feel like that too. We seem to be dismissing abuse of women as "not really abuse" in various ways on this thread now.

EC is 28, which I would argue is old enough to know better...

And I'm not 'attacking' them for making that choice; I'm saying I disagree with it, but that they should still be free to make that choice.

This is pretty dismissive of her and the abuse she might have suffered as a GNC female.

Plenty of other posters have attacker her too.

Its really not OK in my opinion.

But EC is NOT saying that anyone thinks they are gay! They are clearly not gay, as they are in a relationship with a high-profile man!

The interviewer from Harper's Bazaar used 'homophobia' to mean 'nonbinaryphobia'. You will not convince me that it is acceptable to change the meaning of the word 'homophobia'- gay people need that word to have a clear definition.

I just googled Emma Corrin and this was the first line "Emma is opening up about how the public grapples with their identity"

And I thought Emma was now dealing with all of our identities!

So confused.

I reserve the right to criticise EC for binding her tits, just as I’d criticise Kim Kardashian for binding her waist. Although the latter isn’t generally considered at the vanguard of a brave new world. If you want to characterise criticism as not supporting women as a whole, knock yourself out

“That isn't women supporting women is it?”

I thought ‘they’ wasn’t a woman’.

To me, woman = adult human female, so I see attacks on her as women attacking other women. I don't like it.

I'd prefer to criticise binding practises more generally, and the societal impact of those, rather than criticise individual women for their choices.

To me it's like the "do you shave your legs?" Argument. As a feminist I can see leg shaving is anti-women and a symbol of the patriarchy. I still make the choice to do it myself though and it's not really anyone else's business what I do with my own body.

EC may be suffering abuse due to their non binary status but that isn't homophobia. No one is mistaking that couple as a same sex couple. It could potentially be transphobia but homophobia is a specific thing and is not appropriate for this situation.

That's because I am entirely dismissive of the claim that they have experienced homophobia. At the time, I thought EC themself had claimed this, as I was stupid enough to take something I read on the Daily Mail website at face value. I have since realised the claim of homophobia came from the Harper's Bazaar journalist (although come to think of it, I wonder where that journalist got the idea that EC had experienced homophobia?).

As a white person, I'd fully expect to be dismissed if I claimed I'd experienced racism, and I'd be sure to correct anyone who claimed I had experienced it.

The Harper's Bazaar writer asks about "the swell of homophobia and transphobia they’ve faced since coming out as queer and nonbinary".

Forced teaming the LGB with the TQ+ as usual.

And the description of the social media content, which the HB writer evidently has read, points to the "hate" mainly boiling down to denying that she is non-binary and using correct sex pronouns.

Once again, humans can't be non-binary, there are only two sexes and every individual is either one or the other. That is not hate, it is a provable, material scientific fact.

You, a (no offence) nobody choosing not to shave their legs is not the same as a high-profile star promoting breast binding. But then you know that.

EC being non-binary in the Harper's Bazaar photo shoot: